Rules relaxation and idiots

[Flyingfifer]

Isn’t that’s what’s happening - and in a controlled / step by step manner?

Death by a thousand cuts
The economy is smashed to dust and we have indebted the next 3 or 4 generations for the sake of the very oldest in society, the average age of covid death in the UK is 80 (SAUCE).... the UK life expectancy is 81(SAUCE2).

The reaction to this has been vastly out of proportion and long winded, it should have been completely ended once a vaccine was available and being rolled out.

 

[ronk]

What do you mean by rolled out?
Ie after how many administered. There about half the U.K. been done now - in your opinion . Is that enough?- are you suggesting we just go back to normal now?

I would add that when to get older, you probably won’t have the same relaxed attitude to life expectancy. :rofl

 

[Flyingfifer]

What do you mean by rolled out?

Ie after how many administered. There about half the U.K. been done now - in your opinion . Is that enough?- are you suggesting we just go back to normal now?

First given to non retired over 60s, people with underlying conditions (say 80-100%) and in the process of giving to the oldest (most at risk)

I would add that when to get older, you probably won’t have the same relaxed attitude to life expectancy. :rofl

I have said multiple times before that if I was currently 80 or 81 my take on unlocking the country wouldn't be any different, how unbelievably selfish and morally abhorrent for me to advocate stripping people younger than me of their right to live their life, work and progress for the sake of giving me maybe another couple of years and that's not even to mention the fact that in that circumstance I have no real requirement to be out on a daily basis, I could hide myself away and have my shopping delivered if I was so concerned about eeking out another year or so. Basically this woman, mad respect to her.
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[ronk]

You say that now but add 40 years to your clock and you won’t be saying that - you might like to think you will but trust me. - you won’t be so flippant when you’re looking down the barrel of 80

You give that old bat any credence?

 

[mgrlane]

What do you mean by rolled out?
Ie after how many administered. There about half the U.K. been done now - in your opinion . Is that enough?- are you suggesting we just go back to normal now?

"15 million Jabs till freedom", well it was before xmas anyway....

 

[Flyingfifer]

You say that now but add 40 years to your clock and you won’t be saying that - you might like to think you will but trust me. - you won’t be so flippant when you’re looking down the barrel of 80

You give that old bat any credence?

I have suffered for my principles multiple times throughout my life and I will continue to do so, no point breaking them at the end of it :idunno:
My stance wouldnt change, regardless of how surprised you may be.

Having lived my 80 years it would be utterly unthinkable to me to prevent and restrict others from doing so to give me another year or two. (especially considering that I would be almost 20years past the ALE in Scotland for a Male)

What is she saying thats wrong?

 

[Flyingfifer]

Being a trekkie...

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[ronk]

I think we are almost there with the current regime. It’s been difficult for a lot of people for a multitude of reasons - let’s just take it in logical measured steps.

 

[mgrlane]

What is she saying thats wrong?

Good Old Yorkshire lass.

We are a bit more straight shooting than you lot.

Got our own variant now you know. Me and the lads had a bet on which place got their variant next. I chose Norfolk so I was wrong.

Apparently the Yorkshire variant of Covid-19 could be "more transmissible" according to the Boris Broad Casting.

 

[ronk]

You say that now but add 40 years to your clock and you won’t be saying that - you might like to think you will but trust me. - you won’t be so flippant when you’re looking down the barrel of 80

You give that old bat any credence?

I have suffered for my principles multiple times throughout my life and I will continue to do so, no point breaking them at the end of it :idunno:
My stance wouldnt change, regardless of how surprised you may be.

Having lived my 80 years it would be utterly unthinkable to me to prevent and restrict others from doing so to give me another year or two. (especially considering that I would be almost 20years past the ALE in Scotland for a Male)

What is she saying thats wrong?

At 32 you can have those ideals - I may have had similar ideals - now at 73, 80 doesn’t seem that far off.
Hence my opinion.

 

[mgrlane]

I think we are almost there with the current regime. It’s been difficult for a lot of people for a multitude of reasons - let’s just take it in logical measured steps.

Some figures to help Ronk. I think it will help illustrate hopefully that you are ok and perhaps it's not as prevalent as you think.

County Durham and Darlington NHS Foundation Trust has 6 Covid Patients (6 people that are in hospital that could have tested positive in the last 28 days for covid). As of right now.

1,248 Deaths (of anything) within 28 days of positive test in County Durham since covid records began.

38,276 people since the start of Covid have had a positive test in Country Durham and 6 people have been recorded as positive today.

527,035 people in County Durham (as of two years ago).

 

[Flyingfifer]

At 32 you can have those ideals - I may have had similar ideals - now at 73, 80 doesn’t seem that far off.
Hence my opinion.

Ooooooof, thats grim, happily advocating stripping others of the freedom you enjoyed and preventing them from living a life as you did just because you're old... wow
basically "I crashed into a group of kids because avoiding them might have killed me" now stfu and pay my pension

Happy to say I'm cut from a very different cloth

 

[ronk]

There wasn’t a pandemic about when I was a boy - that might be why our freedoms may have been different in those days don’t you think?

The current regime is for the benefit of all. You might not like it but the people running the show seem to think it’s working out.

You’ve only got a few days left to wait.

Ps
I hope you are making suitable contributions for your pension

 

[Nanu]

Wonder how these young pups would feel if the virus mutates and begins to infect and kill the younger generation and leaves us older vaccinated people alone?
It's OK in theory to say lock the oldies down as they are at risk and leave everyone else to get on with their lives but viruses want to spread and if they only people they can infect is the young then they will mutate. It's about stopping the spread so it can't mutate further not just stopping the elderly from dying.

 

[ronk]

Wonder how these young pups would feel if the virus mutates and begins to infect and kill the younger generation and leaves us older vaccinated people alone?
It's OK in theory to say lock the oldies down as they are at risk and leave everyone else to get on with their lives but viruses want to spread and if they only people they can infect is the young then they will mutate. It's about stopping the spread so it can't mutate further not just stopping the elderly from dying.

That’s just plain straightforward common sense
Trouble is tho’ common sense is an oxymoron

 

[Nanu]

And contains the word moron :wink:

 

[ronk]

And contains the word moron :wink:

 

[Flyingfifer]

Ps
I hope you are making suitable contributions for your pension

Oh believe me I don't have the boomer entitlement around things like pensions, I seriously doubt I will get a pension from the government at all and the retirement age is already 7 years later than my life expectancy anyway, a gap which is likely to widen before I am even close to retirement. So yes I have my own arrangements in place, plans impacted negatively by this lockdown, a lockdown to save those I am already paying to be retired and enjoy all their tax payer funded perks, perks that I will not be endowed with, nor any generation behind me.

Wonder how these young pups would feel if the virus mutates and begins to infect and kill the younger generation and leaves us older vaccinated people alone?

If it is effecting the vast majority of the population then obviously the attitude would be different, a poor point poorly made.
But if there was to be a virus that only stuck down 32 year old men than I would hold the same mentality, the country and everyone in it shouldnt be put on hold for a small number of people. Protect the vulnerable but keep calm and carry on.

It's OK in theory to say lock the oldies down as they are at risk and leave everyone else to get on with their lives but viruses want to spread and if they only people they can infect is the young then they will mutate. It's about stopping the spread so it can't mutate further not just stopping the elderly from dying.

Still living in that fantasyland where vaccinated people are impervious to mutations of the virus I see.... :roll:

 

[Smartbear]

Ps
I hope you are making suitable contributions for your pension

Oh believe me I don't have the boomer entitlement around things like pensions, I seriously doubt I will get a pension from the government at all and the retirement age is already 7 years later than my life expectancy anyway, a gap which is likely to widen before I am even close to retirement. So yes I have my own arrangements in place, plans impacted negatively by this lockdown, a lockdown to save those I am already paying to be retired and enjoy all their tax payer funded perks, perks that I will not be endowed with, nor any generation behind me.

Wonder how these young pups would feel if the virus mutates and begins to infect and kill the younger generation and leaves us older vaccinated people alone?

If it is effecting the vast majority of the population then obviously the attitude would be different, a poor point poorly made.
But if there was to be a virus that only stuck down 32 year old men than I would hold the same mentality, the country and everyone in it shouldnt be put on hold for a small number of people. Protect the vulnerable but keep calm and carry on.

It's OK in theory to say lock the oldies down as they are at risk and leave everyone else to get on with their lives but viruses want to spread and if they only people they can infect is the young then they will mutate. It's about stopping the spread so it can't mutate further not just stopping the elderly from dying.

Still living in that fantasyland where vaccinated people are impervious to mutations of the virus I see.... :roll:

I don’t think I’ve read anywhere that vaccinated people are impervious to mutated strains of the virus, I’ve definitely read that there’s less chance of being seriously ill though.
Rob

 

[Flyingfifer]

I don’t think I’ve read anywhere that vaccinated people are impervious to mutated strains of the virus, I’ve definitely read that there’s less chance of being seriously ill though.
Rob

Completely correct, there is no such safety, the virus can be caught by vaccinated and unvaccinated alike and as such can be they can both be the platform for mutation. But some individuals on here seem to believe that after they get the vaccine they are some how impervious or super immune/safe and cannot be the platform for mutation.

The vaccine reduces the severity of the virus like you say