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Nictrix said:
Nobody was implying that the trade have the best cars. The point is that trade comes with statutory consumer protections. Buying privately comes with no comeback at all. That's why trade cars are rightly more expensive.
Happy to buy a private car at trade prices if it comes with a signed agreement to take the car back or remedy any faults found after purchase.
Pondrew said:
Actually, it's always been the case that some private sellers think they can get trade prices or don't understand why trade cars rightly are priced higher (ie statutory consumer protections that do not apply to private sales). This is nothing new.
Most of the time, the car sits unsold. Sometimes the seller gets lucky and the buyer gets ripped off, the exception to which will be something about the car that makes it highly exceptional, perhaps a very rare colour or significant specification elements, where the supply is extremely limited and the seller may be able to command a higher price if patient enough / the right buyer comes along.
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Spaldingski
F6C said:
Trade prices should be higher because those 'in the trade' sell cars for a living and need to make money from them. No other reason. None. And recently their 'operating costs' have increased, the average car needs a pretty big margin for them to service their villas in Florida, as well as pay the 'leccy bills.
Anyway this is someone's for sale thread, so maybe this should be discussed elsewhere?
Fred Smith said:
1. Indeed. But they are better than no protection at all.
2. Irrelevant, that's got nothing to do with your statutory rights. Any 'warranty' is a separate issue to consumer protections. I agree, many warranties are pretty worthless, but that isn't the point.
3. As above.
4. You just made that up. On average, there is no reason to think honesty levels differ. There are honest and dishonest examples of both. The difference with a private sale is that if they successfully cover something up that you do not notice until later, the burden is on the buyer to prove the seller intentionally covered the problem up, which ranges from difficult to impossible most of the time. With a trade sale, you just have to show the car was sold with the fault. Even if the dealer honestly didn't know about the fault, they are liable.
5. There are lots of risks. One very real risk is that you discover soon after purchase that it's got a major issue. Maybe you find after a few days that it's using huge amounts of oil. With a trade sale, you have statutorily defined recourse. I agree, with some dealers asserting your rights can be very hard. But not with decent dealers, which do exist. It's typically possible to research a dealer. Much harder to research a private seller in that regard.
Long story short, if you buy a car from a dealer and in short order discover it's got a major fault, you have reasonable odds of compensation. Choose your dealer carefully, and the odds increase from reasonable to very likely. With a private car, you have almost no chance at all.
Unitedleeds1919
Member
Think some people have let themselves down on here, this guy is selling his car it’s a for sale advert if anyone has any issues with any of the advert why not send a private message to the seller? Because some people have not much going on in their lives …you really should be ashamed, to the seller I would remove the advert it’s damaged on here and it will pick up on an internet search, it’s a nice looking car good luck selling it and all the best with the health issues 
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Unitedleeds1919 said:Think some people have let themselves down on here, this guy is selling his car it’s a for sale advert if anyone has any issues with any of the advert why not send a private message to the seller? Because some people have not much going on in their lives …you really should be ashamed, to the seller I would remove the advert it’s damaged on here and it will pick up on an internet search, it’s a nice looking car good luck selling it and all the best with the health issues
Thank you for your support
To all others on this "sale post" that have wanted their opinions heard above anything else and without any courteous consideration for what my intentions have been.
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Unitedleeds1919
Member
The thread needs removing completely, shameful, I have seen on here many things by certain members posted that I think is not great yet if the face fits they recieve positive support and backing …similar to ‘jobs for the boys’ not far off online bullying is this as most wouldn’t be so rude face to face, please don’t turn this into a mini Facebook you are better than that
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Unitedleeds1919 said:Think some people have let themselves down on here, this guy is selling his car it’s a for sale advert if anyone has any issues with any of the advert why not send a private message to the seller? Because some people have not much going on in their lives …you really should be ashamed, to the seller I would remove the advert it’s damaged on here and it will pick up on an internet search, it’s a nice looking car good luck selling it and all the best with the health issues
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I've just read this from page 1 and what a shame the way this guy is being treated.
We are all on here because we have/like Z4's. Do you hound people on Autotrader if you aren't interested in buying their car? I think not.
When I bought my E86 I looked at a great car that was an ex forum members car but the then current owner just put me off buying it, full stop. The car I bought was a little more but I still needed to spend money on it whereas the other car had seen a huge amount spent on it but things just didn't seem right with the way current the owner treated it.
Yes this car has some gaps in the service history and if I am being honest it would put me off, however why can't we just let the advert run.
If somebody is interested in the car then it is up to them to be diligent and decide if the car is worth buying.
We are all on here because we have/like Z4's. Do you hound people on Autotrader if you aren't interested in buying their car? I think not.
When I bought my E86 I looked at a great car that was an ex forum members car but the then current owner just put me off buying it, full stop. The car I bought was a little more but I still needed to spend money on it whereas the other car had seen a huge amount spent on it but things just didn't seem right with the way current the owner treated it.
Yes this car has some gaps in the service history and if I am being honest it would put me off, however why can't we just let the advert run.
If somebody is interested in the car then it is up to them to be diligent and decide if the car is worth buying.
As I mentioned at the start of the thread I was talking to the previous owner of this car last year. I’ve just found his email and the supposed gappy service history may not be so….
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loads of receipts in history, had its 15000 mile services every 2 years which you'll see in photos up until previous mechanic owner in 2015 who changed the oil on, 51639, 52743, 56883, 57626, ,58858, 59713 . Gearbox oil July 2020, plugs July 20, coolant 28,3,22”
Hope that helps. Perhaps there are receipts for oil etc.
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loads of receipts in history, had its 15000 mile services every 2 years which you'll see in photos up until previous mechanic owner in 2015 who changed the oil on, 51639, 52743, 56883, 57626, ,58858, 59713 . Gearbox oil July 2020, plugs July 20, coolant 28,3,22”
Hope that helps. Perhaps there are receipts for oil etc.
The brake fluid has also been changed very recently too, it was done by the same mechanic mate who drove me to see this car initially so no labour charge or receipt, Forgot to mention that 
In response to the above post by Fred as to why I hadn't put up more details when I started this post, if you read it through I think I said it's a reluctant sale and the reason behind it is Ill health, not mine but the wife's so other more important issues was going on and the details had to wait. Anyway, I'm in no rush to sell while it's still with me I can carry on polishing it.
In response to the above post by Fred as to why I hadn't put up more details when I started this post, if you read it through I think I said it's a reluctant sale and the reason behind it is Ill health, not mine but the wife's so other more important issues was going on and the details had to wait. Anyway, I'm in no rush to sell while it's still with me I can carry on polishing it.
zedwheels said:The brake fluid has also been changed very recently too, it was done by the same mechanic mate who drove me to see this car initially so no labour charge or receipt, Forgot to mention that
In response to the above post by Fred as to why I hadn't put up more details when I started this post, if you read it through I think I said it's a reluctant sale and the reason behind it is Ill health, not mine but the wife's so other more important issues was going on and the details had to wait. Anyway, I'm in no rush to sell while it's still with me I can carry on polishing it.
You have the patience and tolerance of a saint!
Well what a circus this genuine post as become, for full transparency im the previous owner, some of the comments on here are in very bad taste, when i sold the car last year the car was in very good condition and needed absolutely nothing doing, what the current owner as done aesthetically since as taken it to another level making it one of the best roadsters out there, i only sold it because i also own a Lotus Evora and a vx220 turbo, I'll be honest and say this z4 gave me possibly the drive of my life 18 months ago around the Elan valley on a sunny winters day, it's an absolute belter. The previous owner to myself had the car for seven years and serviced it annually regardless of mileage with a printout and receipts with all the other history down the years, from memory the current owner as owned a few zeds down the years including an alpina and purchased this car going into retirement i hope he doesn't mind me saying, he's a genuine car enthusiast trying to sell a truly genuine z4 for genuine reasons, it's so sad that apparent likewise enthiasts have totally derailed his ad with utter claptrap, id emplore anybody who's actually looking to buy a great z4 to give this car serious consideration, you will not be disappointed, good luck with the sale mate and just ignore the Doom Munger's amongst this forum
