On the ? day of Christmas my Gov gave to me
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Can't see a full lockdown coming yet - they need to fully understand how the new variant is impacted by the vaccines.
I think England will head more towards Wales / Scotland with the reintroduction of mask required initially and work from home if you can, I was in Poole last weekend and still wore a mask while 95% of people were not wearing them.
Any lockdown will be in Jan if at all in England, while in Wales we have Captain hindsights sidekick, Corporal Chaos in charge so we will be lockdown tomorrow afternoon till March
I think England will head more towards Wales / Scotland with the reintroduction of mask required initially and work from home if you can, I was in Poole last weekend and still wore a mask while 95% of people were not wearing them.
Any lockdown will be in Jan if at all in England, while in Wales we have Captain hindsights sidekick, Corporal Chaos in charge so we will be lockdown tomorrow afternoon till March
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Going to be honest all I saw was a 30 minute pharmaceutical advert.
In one breath said that they were unsure about how effective the booster was against the new variant and in the next breath encouraging everyone to get their booster.
They will try to get boosters or the third jab into everyone over 18 and more jabs into the young.
Already starting to pave the way for a new round of injections (100 days) for a modified "new version" of the jab going into everyones arms that will fight the varient better.
All while no mention of natural immunity.
By early accounts it looks less lethal but more transmissible than the previous versions before.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/south-african-doctor-raised-alarm-omicron-variant-says-symptoms/
https://www.businessinsider.com/omicron-coronavirus-variant-cases-mild-south-africa-2021-11?r=US&IR=T
In one breath said that they were unsure about how effective the booster was against the new variant and in the next breath encouraging everyone to get their booster.
They will try to get boosters or the third jab into everyone over 18 and more jabs into the young.
Already starting to pave the way for a new round of injections (100 days) for a modified "new version" of the jab going into everyones arms that will fight the varient better.
All while no mention of natural immunity.
By early accounts it looks less lethal but more transmissible than the previous versions before.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/south-african-doctor-raised-alarm-omicron-variant-says-symptoms/
https://www.businessinsider.com/omicron-coronavirus-variant-cases-mild-south-africa-2021-11?r=US&IR=T
There have been plenty of suggestive posts and out right claims that those with the vaccine are in some way exempt from spreading or being the platform for mutation. We had a whole 20 page discussion on that very topic in "The Jab" starting very roughly around page 120, where me and others were trying to point out that being vaccinated does not prevent infection and that you can still catch, spread and mutate the virus vs people who outright refused to believe that.
Seems like this is another example of a mountain out of a molehill by the gov, there is a SA Doctor that was one of the first Drs to raise the alarm about the new variant has said that it has "unusual" symptoms but is mild.
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Another UK Dr has done a video on Omicron as well:
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John yet again trying to insinuate that I am against people being vaccinated so, yet again, for the record, as far back as last year:
If you want the vaccine go for it, more power to you, I completely support you, I argued for the vaccine with my mum and dad and that they should both have it as they are in their 60s. Just don't force it on me
Seems like this is another example of a mountain out of a molehill by the gov, there is a SA Doctor that was one of the first Drs to raise the alarm about the new variant has said that it has "unusual" symptoms but is mild.
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Another UK Dr has done a video on Omicron as well:
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John yet again trying to insinuate that I am against people being vaccinated so, yet again, for the record, as far back as last year:
Flyingfifer said:
If you want the vaccine go for it, more power to you, I completely support you, I argued for the vaccine with my mum and dad and that they should both have it as they are in their 60s. Just don't force it on me
I've never once said you're against anyone having the vaccine, thats just another one of your spins that you're very good at, even though it's incorrect. We know you're not, you've said it enough times. How am I trying to force it on you...? Why would I and why would I even try, you're capable of making your own mind up.
It's ironic that you put so much spin on things that suit you, such as saying don't force it on you when you're the most vocal on here saying we're sheepeople and what the govt' is doing wrong etc, etc, dont keep forcing the issue. If you don't want to believe Whitty, Valance and JVT then don't, they say you should have it, as do 51million if the population. You know best though.
It's ironic that you put so much spin on things that suit you, such as saying don't force it on you when you're the most vocal on here saying we're sheepeople and what the govt' is doing wrong etc, etc, dont keep forcing the issue. If you don't want to believe Whitty, Valance and JVT then don't, they say you should have it, as do 51million if the population. You know best though.
john-e89 said:
john-e89 said:I've never once said you're against anyone having the vaccine, thats just another one of your spins that you're very good at, even though it's incorrect. We know you're not, you've said it enough times. How am I trying to force it on you...? Why would I and why would I even try, you're capable of making your own mind up.
It's ironic that you put so much spin on things that suit you, such as saying don't force it on you when you're the most vocal on here saying we're sheepeople and what the govt' is doing wrong etc, etc, dont keep forcing the issue. If you don't want to believe Whitty, Valance and JVT then don't, they say you should have it, as do 51million if the population. You know best though.
So the comment about the number of people vaccinated and the reference to "somebody here will say we're sheepeople" along with me apparently saying you're "sheepeople" is not an attempt to equate my arguments to being against the vaccine?
Good glad to hear it. I'm glad you're getting on the same page.
Never once have I called anyone a "sheepeople" and, yet again John, your suggestion that I have speaks to your complete inability to comprehend what my comments are actually about. They are consistent and pretty simple if you drop the tribalism for a minute, the vaccine isn't a miracle cure, if you want the vaccine go for it but if you don't want the vaccine it shouldn't be forced upon you and that includes by employers or the government and finally people that don't want the vaccine are not automatically the demon spawn of hell, to be hated or feared and complete morons, they are just people who made a different decision. Its what would be called the liberal position.
I do however believe wholeheartedly that the gov are absolutely doing many many things wrong, find me a single person that doesnt. :roll:
You inadvertently hit the nail on the head though, "they say you should have it, as do 51million if the population" 51million and 3 people should STFU and mind their own business if that's the case. I support your right to choose, all I ask is that you do the same for me and that includes not painting me as some sort of idiot, conspiracy theorist, nut job etc
Flyingfifer said:
I didn't think the tests had been completed against the current vaccine as yet? to conclusively confirm whether we should should be worried or not with the new strain so let's hope it is mountain out of a molehill. If not we could be stuffed until the current vaccine is tweaked which I think would be next year. Probably why our Government is stressing everyone who is eligible to get the booster jab ASAP to provide maximum protection just in case.
Tim.
Attleborough, Norfolk
The aforementioned doctor in SA has again been on the news this morning stating that she is at the epicentre of this outbreak. She again confirmed that these cases are all in the young and unvaccinated. None have been hospitalised and none have died. They all have displayed mild symptoms and recovered within a few days.
I would like to know the same information about those who have been infected in this country for purely selfish reasons being triple jabbed and going to Dubai and theMaldives for NewYear so would like this panic to calm down as soon as.
I would like to know the same information about those who have been infected in this country for purely selfish reasons being triple jabbed and going to Dubai and theMaldives for NewYear so would like this panic to calm down as soon as.
enuff_zed said:And...........................ta-daa!enuff_zed said:It was a prediction.Flyingfifer said:
It is only page one.
Glad it wasnt me or my "side" of the discussion that caused it
thought that has consistently been the case in every one of the threads related to this subject :roll:Nanu said:
I heard on the radio the other day that iirc AZ are already working on tweaking the vaccine but yeah, this new variant seems to be even less dangerous that those before. What you said about viruses before was totally right as well, their objective is to propagate without killing their host so it isnt surprising that we are seeing more infectious but less lethal strains.
Hopefully reality pays the media and the gov a wee visit and they dont opt for any more authoritarian measures :drinkwine:
Flyingfifer said:john-e89 said:john-e89 said:I've never once said you're against anyone having the vaccine, thats just another one of your spins that you're very good at, even though it's incorrect. We know you're not, you've said it enough times. How am I trying to force it on you...? Why would I and why would I even try, you're capable of making your own mind up.
It's ironic that you put so much spin on things that suit you, such as saying don't force it on you when you're the most vocal on here saying we're sheepeople and what the govt' is doing wrong etc, etc, dont keep forcing the issue. If you don't want to believe Whitty, Valance and JVT then don't, they say you should have it, as do 51million if the population. You know best though.
So the comment about the number of people vaccinated and the reference to "somebody here will say we're sheepeople" along with me apparently saying you're "sheepeople" is not an attempt to equate my arguments to being against the vaccine?
Good glad to hear it. I'm glad you're getting on the same page.
Never once have I called anyone a "sheepeople" and, yet again John, your suggestion that I have speaks to your complete inability to comprehend what my comments are actually about. They are consistent and pretty simple if you drop the tribalism for a minute, the vaccine isn't a miracle cure, if you want the vaccine go for it but if you don't want the vaccine it shouldn't be forced upon you and that includes by employers or the government and finally people that don't want the vaccine are not automatically the demon spawn of hell, to be hated or feared and complete morons, they are just people who made a different decision. Its what would be called the liberal position.
I do however believe wholeheartedly that the gov are absolutely doing many many things wrong, find me a single person that doesnt. :roll:
You inadvertently hit the nail on the head though, "they say you should have it, as do 51million if the population" 51million and 3 people should STFU and mind their own business if that's the case. I support your right to choose, all I ask is that you do the same for me and that includes not painting me as some sort of idiot, conspiracy theorist, nut job etc
I actually got the word sheepeople from you Flying, go back and check. I'd never heard it before tbh.
As has been said so many times on here it's boring that no one believes the vaccine is a miracle cure, that's all in your head thinking otherwise.
You've been very vitriolic in the past on a few topics regarding MSM and there you are quoting them on this page. IF you're going to keep your spin up you at least need to make it consistent.
So I should SFTU but you can carry on your David Icke'esq spin progaganda, very equal and liberal of you, thanks very much.
As Ive said many times you can do as you wish, more spin and lies saying I haven't, but why are you surprised when folk disagree with you when you have such an anti community spirit and are quite frankly as selfish as it gets. You're attitude is to say balls to the NHS, who cares if they're on their knees and tens of thousands of people needing medical procedures are having them cancelled due to the virus now, imagine how bad things would be if we had your attitude, the place would be in chaos, but hey, doesn't matter does it, let the country and the world develop herd immunity and then you can walk out in the sunshine having contributed the square root of nothing when it's all but over and a long lasting vaccine has been developed, brilliant.
If you want to go against Whitty, Valance JVT, every GP in the country, virologists, medical professionals, 51 million in the UK alone and the vast majority of the world desperate for the vaccine, the list I'd endless then go ahead that's your choice, but don't tell folk to SFTU when they don't agree with you and call you out for being blatantly wrong and call you out on your spin.
Hopefully reality pays the media and the gov a wee visit and they dont opt for any more authoritarian measures :drinkwine:
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Totally agree with you on the reality bit. We all have to get used to living with this virus, jabbed or un jabbed. The sooner we just start taking responsibility for ourselves and start living as normal a life as possible the better.
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Totally agree with you on the reality bit. We all have to get used to living with this virus, jabbed or un jabbed. The sooner we just start taking responsibility for ourselves and start living as normal a life as possible the better.
I addition to the above, there was also an interesting discussion with a Virologist this morning on GB News. He was saying the b/w 80 & 90% of the world are infected with the dominant Delta variant. He was speculating that if this new variant is as infectious as they claim then it will eventually become the dominant strain and the Delta will die out. The point of his theory was that if this variant produces only mild symptoms much like a bad cold, he was of the opinion we should encourage transmission and help it become the dominant strain.
An interesting theory which of course will not be deliberately adopted but in time may happen anyway.
An interesting theory which of course will not be deliberately adopted but in time may happen anyway.
john-e89 said:I actually got the word sheepeople from you Flying, go back and check. I'd never heard it before tbh.
As has been said so many times on here it's boring that no one believes the vaccine is a miracle cure, that's all in your head thinking otherwise.
You've been very vitriolic in the past on a few topics regarding MSM and there you are quoting them on this page. IF you're going to keep your spin up you at least need to make it consistent.
So I should SFTU but you can carry on your David Icke'esq spin progaganda, very equal and liberal of you, thanks very much.
As Ive said many times you can do as you wish, more spin and lies saying I haven't, but why are you surprised when folk disagree with you when you have such an anti community spirit and are quite frankly as selfish as it gets. You're attitude is to say balls to the NHS, who cares if they're on their knees and tens of thousands of people needing medical procedures are having them cancelled due to the virus now, imagine how bad things would be if we had your attitude, the place would be in chaos, but hey, doesn't matter does it, let the country and the world develop herd immunity and then you can walk out in the sunshine having contributed the square root of nothing when it's all but over and a long lasting vaccine has been developed, brilliant.
If you want to go against Whitty, Valance JVT, every GP in the country, virologists, medical professionals, 51 million in the UK alone and the vast majority of the world desperate for the vaccine, the list I'd endless then go ahead that's your choice, but don't tell folk to SFTU when they don't agree with you and call you out for being blatantly wrong and call you out on your spin.
Not according to a search of the forum I haven't? Where did I supposedly say it? What was the topic? A quote would be useful? I've not even used the word sheep on the forum never mind "sheepeople" in fact the word has only been written on the forum 3 times before you mentioned it and they were back in 2013 in a discussion around UKIP LINK
Where have I quoted the MSM on this thread....? Or are you talking about the videos of Savid and that Dr talking? Thats hardly "quoting" the MSM its videos of individuals talking, it doesnt matter if its on BBC or some flat earther blog its what that person is saying that matters not whos name is on the channel that the video is on. :slaphead: :slaphead:
If you're trying to vilify, attack, ridicule me for my decision or are advocating or outright trying to insist, force or otherwise compel me to submit to a medical procedure then yes, you can STFU and GTFO
if not then we have no problem and I will support your right to disagree and argue amicably in good faith.Pray tell, what is "my attitude" that has lead to all these terrible ills in the world?
It's always been about what is on MSM...not the platform, but you've been very vitriolic about naming MSM and you can't deny that so I'm puzzled why this is any different... :scratchhead:
Your attitude is to let everyone else take the medicine, let the NHS go into meltdown, screw anyone that needs medical procedures and have them postponed or cancelled because you don't want a vaccine that is helping as much as humanly possible. That quite frankly stinks, absolutely stinks, especially when billions worldwide know a damn sight more than you about it. If you've ever had a jab for anything or medical procedure then that means trust on your part, where is it now the world needs trust in this.
I'm quite refreshed to hear you're wanting an amicable discussion for once, about time from you, no more rolling about laughing or your spin mocking at anyone's else's opinion, excellent.
Your attitude is to let everyone else take the medicine, let the NHS go into meltdown, screw anyone that needs medical procedures and have them postponed or cancelled because you don't want a vaccine that is helping as much as humanly possible. That quite frankly stinks, absolutely stinks, especially when billions worldwide know a damn sight more than you about it. If you've ever had a jab for anything or medical procedure then that means trust on your part, where is it now the world needs trust in this.
I'm quite refreshed to hear you're wanting an amicable discussion for once, about time from you, no more rolling about laughing or your spin mocking at anyone's else's opinion, excellent.