On the ? day of Christmas my Gov gave to me
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Well we can never say life is dull.
But my god, do the media love to hype it to the max.
It’s like , here’s our time to shine, and full tilt on the scaremongering.
Yes it’s a serious matter, but I think people can see that without the need to drum it into us constantly.
In all seriousness, I really hope they don’t have to go to far with the restrictions, as I fear, peoples willingness to comply may not be as forthcoming as it was before.
A lot will just ignore, and do as they please.
Hopefully it won’t come to that if the new variant can be kept out.
But my god, do the media love to hype it to the max.
It’s like , here’s our time to shine, and full tilt on the scaremongering.
Yes it’s a serious matter, but I think people can see that without the need to drum it into us constantly.
In all seriousness, I really hope they don’t have to go to far with the restrictions, as I fear, peoples willingness to comply may not be as forthcoming as it was before.
A lot will just ignore, and do as they please.
Hopefully it won’t come to that if the new variant can be kept out.
Phoenixboy said:
I agree with what you said, but in terms of keeping it out, I think we've seen over the past couple of years, it's impossible.... Unless a country closes it's borders to all other countries you can't keep it out.... New Zealand tried, got close, but even they failed... and they are not a major global hub as we are in the UK.
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mgrlane said:ronk said:TitanTim said:
Thats what the experts are saying as well.
Don't want to burst any bubbles here but it does look like the mutations were discovered in vaccinated people.
I think the problem here is if more of the poplations had accepted the vaccine from the start then mutations might have been lower? In the initial rush for the richer countries to get their populations vaccinated it left the poorer countries behind and mutations appearing what we are seeing now. Think all it proves is the importance of the vaccine from the off but the door has been shut after the horse has bolted.
I thought the general expert consensus is "The best way to prevent the virus from mutating is to prevent hosts, people, from getting sick with it," he says. "That's why it's so important people should get immunized and wear masks."
Of course little is known of this new strain as yet but hopefully the current vaccine will still be affective.
Tim.
yes, unfortunately, I fear that will be the case.sp3ctre said:
A couple of weeks at best before cases pop up in the uk.
Hopefully some basic restrictions will be introduced that may keep it under control, and that I think is the best we can hope for...
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sp3ctre said:
I am going to call BS on it early on and say it's a storm in a tea cup where the press are going to whip up a fear frenzy and ultimately nothing will change in the UK.
They might be able to put more therapeutics into scared peoples arms but the realities are in the UK by being open up all summer enough people have caught the virus already to protect us all.
I could be completely wrong but I have a strong feeling that if you turn off your TV and put down your news paper everything is going to be ok.
If we get locked down and can't go to Spain great as Eric Idle said
what's the point of going abroad if you're just another tourist carted around in buses surrounded by sweaty mindless oafs from Kettering and Coventry in their cloth caps and their cardigans and their transistor radios and their Sunday Mirrors, complaining about the tea - "Oh they don't make it properly here, do they, not like at home" - and stopping at Majorcan bodegas selling fish and chips and Watney's Red Barrel and calamari's and two veg and sitting in their cotton frocks squirting Timothy White's sun cream all over their puffy raw swollen purulent flesh 'cos they "overdid it on the first day."
And being herded into endless Hotel Miramars and Bellvueses and Continentales with their modern international luxury roomettes and draught Red Barrel and swimming pools full of fat German businessmen pretending they're acrobats forming pyramids and frightening the children and barging into queues and if you're not at your table spot on seven you miss the bowl of Campbell's Cream of Mushroom soup, the first item on the menu of International Cuisine, and every Thursday night the hotel has a bloody cabaret in the bar, featuring a tiny emaciated dago with nine-inch hips and some bloated fat tart with her hair brylcreemed down and a big arse presenting Flamenco for Foreigners.
And then some adenoidal typists from Birmingham with flabby white legs and diarrhea trying to pick up hairy bandy-legged wop waiters called Manuel and once a week there's an excursion to the local Roman Remains to buy cherryade and melted ice cream and bleeding Watney's Red Barrel and one evening you visit the so called typical restaurant with local color and atmosphere and you sit next to a party from Rhyl who keep singing "Torremolinos, torremolinos" and complaining about the food - "It's so greasy isn't it?" - and you get cornered by some drunken greengrocer from Luton with an Instamatic camera and Dr. Scholl sandals and last Tuesday's Daily Express and he drones on and on about how Mr. Smith should be running this country and how many languages Enoch Powell can speak and then he throws up over the Cuba Libres.
etc. etc. etc. :lol: :lol: :lol:
what's the point of going abroad if you're just another tourist carted around in buses surrounded by sweaty mindless oafs from Kettering and Coventry in their cloth caps and their cardigans and their transistor radios and their Sunday Mirrors, complaining about the tea - "Oh they don't make it properly here, do they, not like at home" - and stopping at Majorcan bodegas selling fish and chips and Watney's Red Barrel and calamari's and two veg and sitting in their cotton frocks squirting Timothy White's sun cream all over their puffy raw swollen purulent flesh 'cos they "overdid it on the first day."
And being herded into endless Hotel Miramars and Bellvueses and Continentales with their modern international luxury roomettes and draught Red Barrel and swimming pools full of fat German businessmen pretending they're acrobats forming pyramids and frightening the children and barging into queues and if you're not at your table spot on seven you miss the bowl of Campbell's Cream of Mushroom soup, the first item on the menu of International Cuisine, and every Thursday night the hotel has a bloody cabaret in the bar, featuring a tiny emaciated dago with nine-inch hips and some bloated fat tart with her hair brylcreemed down and a big arse presenting Flamenco for Foreigners.
And then some adenoidal typists from Birmingham with flabby white legs and diarrhea trying to pick up hairy bandy-legged wop waiters called Manuel and once a week there's an excursion to the local Roman Remains to buy cherryade and melted ice cream and bleeding Watney's Red Barrel and one evening you visit the so called typical restaurant with local color and atmosphere and you sit next to a party from Rhyl who keep singing "Torremolinos, torremolinos" and complaining about the food - "It's so greasy isn't it?" - and you get cornered by some drunken greengrocer from Luton with an Instamatic camera and Dr. Scholl sandals and last Tuesday's Daily Express and he drones on and on about how Mr. Smith should be running this country and how many languages Enoch Powell can speak and then he throws up over the Cuba Libres.
etc. etc. etc. :lol: :lol: :lol:
mgrlane said:sp3ctre said:Phoenixboy said:That will seriously piss off your sporran wearing, goatee chinned, indoor beanie wearing anarchic loving Scots friend....how is he gonna spend his days now if he has no stats to drag up from the bowels of.....feck knows where and bombard us in his jovial hilarious full of fun manner...? :?:wink:
But yes, agreed for once, one can whip one's self into a frenzy over this if not self regulated with some distance.
mgrlane said:
But its impossible for vaccinated people to get the virus or spread the virus or be a platform for mutation!! Thats what I believe so its true!!
Flyingfifer said:mgrlane said:
But its impossible for vaccinated people to get the virus or spread the virus or be a platform for mutation!! Thats what I believe so its true!!
:? :scratchhead: Why have you posted that on here when afaik not one member thinks that. Strange post but hey ho.
john-e89 said:
I think his point is, whether you still buy it or not, those are the BS lines that they have been feeding the people for the last 2 years.
I don't know if you all had the same lies they told us but I think "Two weeks to flatten the curve." sort of defines the whole propaganda campaign in a nut shell.
john-e89 said:Flyingfifer said:mgrlane said:
But its impossible for vaccinated people to get the virus or spread the virus or be a platform for mutation!! Thats what I believe so its true!!
:? :scratchhead: Why have you posted that on here when afaik not one member thinks that. Strange post but hey ho.
Think it's called denial John and for whatever reason, scared maybe and no matter what is said to them they think they know best, most likely why Covid will just linger on and on still causing misery. The post is pretty ironic really.
Tim.
TitanTim said:john-e89 said:Flyingfifer said:But its impossible for vaccinated people to get the virus or spread the virus or be a platform for mutation!! Thats what I believe so its true!!
:? :scratchhead: Why have you posted that on here when afaik not one member thinks that. Strange post but hey ho.
Think it's called denial John and for whatever reason, scared maybe and no matter what is said to them they think they know best, most likely why Covid will just linger on and on still causing misery. The post is pretty ironic really.
Tim.
Yes there was supposed to be irony in my post Tim but i didn't make a very good job of it.... :roll: :lol:
All viruses mutate that's how they spread. They do not want to kill their hosts because if they do they cannot spread. They try to mutate into a format whereby they can infect but do not kill. That is all this virus is doing, becoming more infectious but less deadly.TitanTim said:I thought the general expert consensus is "The best way to prevent the virus from mutating is to prevent hosts, people, from getting sick with it," he says. "That's why it's so important people should get immunized and wear masks."mgrlane said:ronk said:Thats what the experts are saying as well.
Don't want to burst any bubbles here but it does look like the mutations were discovered in vaccinated people.
Of course little is known of this new strain as yet but hopefully the current vaccine will still be affective.
Tim.
As for the vaccines, I was listening to the team who created the Astra Zenica and they were saying the vaccines fall into 2 cats. One tries to interupt the spike protein by which the virus enters human cells to reduce infection and the other triggers the body to produce T cells that recognises the virus and kills it. That's why when you get a 3rd booster they give you the vaccine you did not get the first time, you get both types. They were sure that any mutation will not bypass both types of vaccine. I am no expert but it all sounded very simple and logical to me.
Don't want to burst any bubbles here but it does look like the mutations were discovered in vaccinated people.
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But its impossible for vaccinated people to get the virus or spread the virus or be a platform for mutation!! Thats what I believe so its true!!
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I can't recall anyone saying that it was impossible for the vaccinated to be re infected. My wife and I have both had the original Wuhan strain very early doors and she was quite ill. She had her first jab and still caught a second dose of COVID earlier this year and apart from a cough she would not have known she had it were not for the positive tests. I suspect many double or triple jabbed had had COVID without even realising.
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But its impossible for vaccinated people to get the virus or spread the virus or be a platform for mutation!! Thats what I believe so its true!!
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I can't recall anyone saying that it was impossible for the vaccinated to be re infected. My wife and I have both had the original Wuhan strain very early doors and she was quite ill. She had her first jab and still caught a second dose of COVID earlier this year and apart from a cough she would not have known she had it were not for the positive tests. I suspect many double or triple jabbed had had COVID without even realising.
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All viruses mutate that's how they spread. They do not want to kill their hosts because if they do they cannot spread. They try to mutate into a format whereby they can infect but do not kill. That is all this virus is doing, becoming more infectious but less deadly.
As for the vaccines, I was listening to the team who created the Astra Zenica and they were saying the vaccines fall into 2 cats. One tries to interupt the spike protein by which the virus enters human cells to reduce infection and the other triggers the body to produce T cells that recognises the virus and kills it. That's why when you get a 3rd booster they give you the vaccine you did not get the first time, you get both types. They were sure that any mutation will not bypass both types of vaccine. I am no expert but it all sounded very simple and logical to me.
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Interesting as my first two jabs were Astra Zenica, and had no side affects whatsoever, had the booster last Thursday which was Pfizer and felt pretty rough yesterday but soon passed
Tim.
All viruses mutate that's how they spread. They do not want to kill their hosts because if they do they cannot spread. They try to mutate into a format whereby they can infect but do not kill. That is all this virus is doing, becoming more infectious but less deadly.
As for the vaccines, I was listening to the team who created the Astra Zenica and they were saying the vaccines fall into 2 cats. One tries to interupt the spike protein by which the virus enters human cells to reduce infection and the other triggers the body to produce T cells that recognises the virus and kills it. That's why when you get a 3rd booster they give you the vaccine you did not get the first time, you get both types. They were sure that any mutation will not bypass both types of vaccine. I am no expert but it all sounded very simple and logical to me.
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Interesting as my first two jabs were Astra Zenica, and had no side affects whatsoever, had the booster last Thursday which was Pfizer and felt pretty rough yesterday but soon passed
Tim.