Omnicron...dont fear the reaper...

[mgrlane]

Would be interested to get a view on how many jabs are too many? Totally anecdotal, but a lot of my friends/contacts who are double/triple vaccinated have said that's it, they 100% won't be getting another jab beyond what they have. I find this adjusted stance very peculiar.

Surely, if you felt strongly enough to get triple vaccinated within 6 months, why would you now stop? If you are actively pro-vaccination, then surely you would be ok with a twice-yearly vaccination to protect your health? If your opinion has changed, how many would you be ok with?

Why would you not be ok to get a top-up every 3 months for the next 5 years, if the government scientists recommend this? :? I've yet to talk with anyone who says they would 100% get a monthly vaccination if the government scientist recommend this....anyone on here who would do that if Chris Whitty recommended this?

I don't know any double jabbers under 60 that are going to have a third. Again like you a small sample.

Most of them have had covid now anyway so it would be a very hard sell to them. I suspect the only way they will get jabbed again is through coercion.

I suspect that the elderly and the vulnerable will have a different risk (known and unknown) Vs reward profile and would be happy to jab them selves on the regular.

 

[Roberltd2]

Won't you need a longer hose?

Not had any complaints in the last 54 years pal

 

[Smartbear]

The stats in the link posted prove you’re much more likely to be hospitalised if you’re unvaccinated
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Rob

That's not what that shows.
What that shows is that after booster number 3 for a certain period of time (2 weeks+) you have a very low likelihood of ending up in hospital. That is not however a permanent never ending state and as it states efficacy drops quickly.

There is also the age old problem of who is that based on, for example if that's based on a 18yo fit person that's bloody impressive but if it's based on a 70yo fat bloke then it's not.

Here’s a screenshot that states exactly that, it’s in black & white “a substantial reduction in risk of hospitalisation compared to those who are unvaccinated”

Rob

 

[BeeEmm]

There is also the age old problem of who is that based on, for example if that's based on a 18yo fit person that's bloody impressive but if it's based on a 70yo fat bloke then it's not.

Would it be more impressive if it was based on a 70 year old fit person and less impressive based on an 18 year old fat bloke? You can maybe get some stats for me FF, but I seem to notice more fat people aged 30 to 50 than those between 70 and 75 these days.

 

[Pondrew]

Didn't want to do this but;
There is just too much information out there, so you can 'cherry pick' the bits you want to believe. Too much of anything is always a bad thing.
The whole sad situation, for me, is summed up by this:
My wife and I went to get our boosters (yes we are MSM and Gov sheep) together just before xmas.
When the nurse (or volunteer maybe) was about to jab the wife, she asked "what vaccine is it?". The girl said "Pfizer".
I immediately said to the wife "why the f*ck does it matter who makes it?"
She didn't have an answer.
She only asked because she has too much information but has no idea what any of it means; same as the rest of us.
My mum never had a discussion with my school about who made my Polio shot because that information was not available and no-one f*cking cared as long as it protected their kids.
If you've had a 'flu jab in the last 20 years, has ANYONE ever asked who makes the s*it they are sticking in you? I very much doubt it. Do you ask who makes the drugs your doctor prescribes for your warts? NO. Never.

In an information age a pandemic is laughing it's tits off!!

Rant over.

 

[Chris_D]

If you've had a 'flu jab in the last 20 years, has ANYONE ever asked who makes the s*it they are sticking in you? I very much doubt it. Do you ask who makes the drugs your doctor prescribes for your warts? NO. Never.

errr yes.
you obvisously have no regard for who sticks their voodoo shite in ur body...?
fk that in its left ear.
get some self-respect!

 

[Pondrew]

get some self-respect!

Explain.

 

[Flyingfifer]

Here’s a screenshot that states exactly that, it’s in black & white “a substantial reduction in risk of hospitalisation compared to those who are unvaccinated”
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Rob

Again, there is a semantics game going on here by the Government, is a 65yo unvaccinated more likely to end up in hospital than a vaccinated 65yo..? Yes of course they are, we know this. However is an unvaccinated 20yo more likely to end up in hospital than a vaccinated 65yo...? We don't have data specific to that but looking at the hospitalisation rates in each category of age and combining that with the infection rate in said categories I would argue its fair to at least say the risk is less for the 20yo without the vaccine.

What you posted there doesn't actually define what age group we are looking at when coming to that conclusion. Given that age is the primary driver in terms of likely outcome that little detail is pretty important.
Fortunately I have had the time to read the document now and found the following:

The age range of admitted individuals was 0 to 100 years (median: 45.5 years); 496 (60.9%)
were aged 40 years or more; 30.8% were aged 70 years or more

So 91.7% of the data set was over the age of 40 (and its also slimy the way they just group such a massive range together, all it takes is 1 person @ 40 to get that range even if the rest are 60+), that is basically right on the money for the most at risk groups (which as around 50>) Therefore the very people who were most likely to be hospitalised by the virus should they not be vaccinated.

 

[Smartbear]

Here’s a screenshot that states exactly that, it’s in black & white “a substantial reduction in risk of hospitalisation compared to those who are unvaccinated”
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Rob

Again, there is a semantics game going on here by the Government, is a 65yo unvaccinated more likely to end up in hospital than a vaccinated 65yo..? Yes of course they are, we know this. However is an unvaccinated 20yo more likely to end up in hospital than a vaccinated 65yo...? We don't have data specific to that but looking at the hospitalisation rates in each category of age and combining that with the infection rate in said categories I would argue its fair to at least say the risk is less for the 20yo without the vaccine.

What you posted there doesn't actually define what age group we are looking at when coming to that conclusion. Given that age is the primary driver in terms of likely outcome that little detail is pretty important.
Fortunately I have had the time to read the document now and found the following:

The age range of admitted individuals was 0 to 100 years (median: 45.5 years); 496 (60.9%)
were aged 40 years or more; 30.8% were aged 70 years or more

So 91.7% of the data set was over the age of 40 (and its also slimy the way they just group such a massive range together, all it takes is 1 person @ 40 to get that range even if the rest are 60+), that is basically right on the money for the most at risk groups (which as around 50>) Therefore the very people who were most likely to be hospitalised by the virus should they not be vaccinated.

Hey, don’t shoot the messenger - it was your mate who posted the link that i quoted showing unvaccinated people were much more likely to be hospitalised than people who’d been fully vaccinated
Rob

 

[Flyingfifer]

Would be interested to get a view on how many jabs are too many? Totally anecdotal, but a lot of my friends/contacts who are double/triple vaccinated have said that's it, they 100% won't be getting another jab beyond what they have. I find this adjusted stance very peculiar.

Surely, if you felt strongly enough to get triple vaccinated within 6 months, why would you now stop? If you are actively pro-vaccination, then surely you would be ok with a twice-yearly vaccination to protect your health? If your opinion has changed, how many would you be ok with?

Why would you not be ok to get a top-up every 3 months for the next 5 years, if the government scientists recommend this? :? I've yet to talk with anyone who says they would 100% get a monthly vaccination if the government scientist recommend this....anyone on here who would do that if Chris Whitty recommended this?

I agree, while there is a strange dichotomy around some people and the vaccine I don't begrudge them realising that its not the wonder cure it was cracked up to be and that we have fallen into an apparently never ending spiral of booster jabs. If they want to get off that particular bus I'm not going to judge them

There is also now a discussion starting around the unsustainability of this current level of vaccination, all of a sudden the realisation that its costing a fking fortune to vaccinate people that dont need it and that its not a viable strategy long term. (funnily enough the EXACT reason that the flu jab is only free for those that are vulnerable)

 

[Flyingfifer]

that i quoted showing unvaccinated people were much more likely to be hospitalised than people who’d been fully vaccinated
Rob

You were doing so well too, such a shame

 

[Chris_D]

get some self-respect!

Explain.

if i have to explian ur obvs beyond help

 

[Pondrew]

We don't have data specific to that but looking at the hospitalisation rates in each category of age and combining that with the infection rate in said categories I would argue its fair to at least say the risk is less for the 20yo without the vaccine.

You seem to have lost all sense of reality, son, and talking as if you are on SAGE. Unless, of course, you have been been promoted to this position due to your superior knowledge of all things Covid (from an unvaccinated perspective, of course).

 

[Pondrew]

if i have to explian ur obvs beyond help

Ok don't. Maybe stay off the sauce on a school night? Slurring your typing is a dead giveaway. And to think you are a peer of the PM's former advisor.

 

[Chris_D]

if i have to explian ur obvs beyond help

Ok don't. Maybe stay off the sauce on a school night? I say this as a peer of the PM's former advisor should be able to spell the word explain. No?

well fk me if i cant be arsed to check my own spelling

 

[R.E92]

We don't have data specific to that but looking at the hospitalisation rates in each category of age and combining that with the infection rate in said categories I would argue its fair to at least say the risk is less for the 20yo without the vaccine.

You seem to have lost all sense of reality, son, and talking as if you are on SAGE. Unless, of course, you have been been promoted to this position due to your superior knowledge of all things Covid (from an unvaccinated perspective, of course).

I don't think SAGE are to be trusted at all. Neil Ferguson predicted 5000 deaths per day without a lockdown. Even the Hermes delivery chap that brings my eBay junk was laughing about how wacky that stat was when it was in the news. When delivery drivers are making more accurate predictions on covid mortality than the chief government scientists then you know something is wrong

 

[Chris_D]

We don't have data specific to that but looking at the hospitalisation rates in each category of age and combining that with the infection rate in said categories I would argue its fair to at least say the risk is less for the 20yo without the vaccine.

You seem to have lost all sense of reality, son, and talking as if you are on SAGE. Unless, of course, you have been been promoted to this position due to your superior knowledge of all things Covid (from an unvaccinated perspective, of course).

I don't think SAGE are to be trusted at all. Neil Ferguson predicted 5000 deaths per day without a lockdown. Even the Hermes delivery chap that brings my eBay junk was laughing about how wacky that stat was when it was in the news. When delivery drivers are making more accurate predictions on covid mortality than the chief government scientists then you know something is wrong

@pondrew: credibility rating = zero. give it up son and quit while ur ahead. every post just makes you look/sound like a 'tard.

 

[Pondrew]

I don't think SAGE are to be trusted at all. Neil Ferguson predicted 5000 deaths per day without a lockdown. Even the Hermes delivery chap that brings my eBay junk was laughing about how wacky that stat was when it was in the news. When delivery drivers are making more accurate predictions on covid mortality than the chief government scientists then you know something is wrong

Sorry but if we are taking the advice of Hermes delivery drivers (not undermining anyone's intelligence here) over qualified doctors, scientists and behavioural psychologists; then we might as well all leave and turn the lights off.

For me all goes back to TOO MUCH INFORMATION. I don't remember my mother having a conversation with the postman about chicken pox when I was a kid! :|

 

[Pondrew]

@pondrew: credibility rating = zero. give it up son and quit while ur ahead. every post just makes you look/sound like a 'tard.

Thanks Chris. I will think about your well thought out advice and post back when you have sobered up. Maybe Friday?

 

[R.E92]

I don't think SAGE are to be trusted at all. Neil Ferguson predicted 5000 deaths per day without a lockdown. Even the Hermes delivery chap that brings my eBay junk was laughing about how wacky that stat was when it was in the news. When delivery drivers are making more accurate predictions on covid mortality than the chief government scientists then you know something is wrong

Sorry but if we are taking the advice of Hermes delivery drivers (not undermining anyone's intelligence here) over qualified doctors, scientists and behavioural psychologists; then we might as well all leave and turn the lights off.

For me all goes back to TOO MUCH INFORMATION. I don't remember my mother having a conversation with the postman about chicken pox when I was a kid! :|

The point wasn't that we should take advice from delivery drivers. It was that we shouldn't take advice from scientists that are less accurate than delivery drivers in their predictions.
You can't even blame lack of data for his s**t prediction, there was plenty of other scientists (including the South African officials) claiming that Omicron was mild due to reduced hospitalisations in countries already infected but our SAGE experts went on to predict an Armageddon. This isn't the first time they've been completely wrong, in fact I can't remember a prediction that has been even close.

It's a bit like the pollsters that they bring in every election. Repeatedly wrong but every year their predictions make the front page of every major media outlet.