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TitanTim said:
I wouldn't lean on anyone, it's entirely their free choice and decision. I guess what I find hard to accept is people digging around the internet or finding ways to dumb down the virus and vaccine as being not really that serious and playing with the idea the vaccine is pointless for certain age groups :thumbsdown: . If you're wise then you know what the best thing is to do.

Tim.
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Wondering what you would say to this woman Tim?
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A fit and healthy young woman now suffering from Functional Neurological Disorder following getting the vaccine, she will have to learn to walk again. You and others have touted the line of "its the intelligent thing to do to get the vaccine, why take the risk" yet here we have a woman who was perfectly healthy who may now never have a normal life.
 
Flyingfifer said:
TitanTim said:
I wouldn't lean on anyone, it's entirely their free choice and decision. I guess what I find hard to accept is people digging around the internet or finding ways to dumb down the virus and vaccine as being not really that serious and playing with the idea the vaccine is pointless for certain age groups :thumbsdown: . If you're wise then you know what the best thing is to do.

Tim.
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Wondering what you would say to this woman Tim?
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A fit and healthy young woman now suffering from Functional Neurological Disorder following getting the vaccine, she will have to learn to walk again. You and others have touted the line of "its the intelligent thing to do to get the vaccine, why take the risk" yet here we have a woman who was perfectly healthy who may now never have a normal life.
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That’s a bit like saying someone died from exercise so exercise is a bad thing, despite the fact it saves many more lives than it harms. It always pays to look at the bigger picture.
Rob
 
Smartbear said:
That’s a bit like saying someone died from exercise so exercise is a bad thing, despite the fact it saves many more lives than it harms. It always pays to look at the bigger picture.
Rob
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I would agree entirely, the point here however is that Tim and others have made the argument that regardless of how small the risk is of dying of COVID or of developing Long COVID everyone should get the vaccine because it could be them that is unlucky, therefore the "intelligent" and "moral" thing to do is to just take the vaccine, so here we have the exact same argument but from the opposite side.
 
Smartbear said:
That’s a bit like saying someone died from exercise so exercise is a bad thing, despite the fact it saves many more lives than it harms. It always pays to look at the bigger picture.
Rob
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You'll never convince someone who is living in an echo chamber of social media. I have a close family member whos daughter had a bad reaction to the tried and tested vaccines we give to kids. It is very unfortunate and I feel very bad for her but I have also been to parts of the world where these diseases take and ruin lives every day. Unfortunately with the numbers we are talking about there is going to be the odd person who has a side effect, but you have to weigh up the risks... there are also lots of fit and healthy people who have been affected to varying degrees by covid 19. I know of one fitness intructer who got hit so bad he thought he was going to die at one point.

And to the post above, there is far more chance of getting Long covid than there is of getting vaccine side effects, by a long shot.
 
sp3ctre said:
You'll never convince someone who is living in an echo chamber of social media. I have a close family member whos daughter had a bad reaction to the tried and tested vaccines we give to kids. It is very unfortunate and I feel very bad for her but I have also been to parts of the world where these diseases take and ruin lives every day. Unfortunately with the numbers we are talking about there is going to be the odd person who has a side effect, but you have to weigh up the risks... there are also lots of fit and healthy people who have been affected to varying degrees by covid 19. I know of one fitness intructer who got hit so bad he thought he was going to die at one point.
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Absolutely agree, I have consistently held the position that it is up to the individual to weigh the risks for themselves and make their own decision that is right for them. Unfortunately others have derided me and others for making our own decisions insinuating or outright saying that its immoral and stupid.

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And to the post above, there is far more chance of getting Long covid than there is of getting vaccine side effects, by a long shot.
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Absolutely right, in terms of serious/severe or long term side effects which are below 1% (around 0.01%) but the frequency of non severe/short term side effects is between 20% and 70% (20% from real world reporting though many non severe ones will be unreported and 70% from studies focused on side effects where anything and everything is reported some of which could be unrelated to the vaccine)
 
Not sure of those figures, but feeling tired for a day is not what I call a side-effect worth noting... same as saying that feeling a prick in the arm is a side effect of a jab. Serious side effects are the only ones worth tracking in my opinion.
 
Going back to the app (which I don’t have). Somehow it feels that those who have the app don’t mind being pinged and getting 10 days paid leave.

I have not met a single business person who has it purely because they don’t want to have to (unnecessary) isolate.
 
pvr said:
Going back to the app (which I don’t have). Somehow it feels that those who have the app don’t mind being pinged and getting 10 days paid leave.
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Some people are deliberately setting up a ping at the moment to get 10 days off work in the sun. It's all over social media on how to do this- it's so easy.

I don't have the app but it looks literally like 6-7 steps.

Like with any system I guess you get abusers. As soon as furlough goes I think there will be a step down in this but speaking with client's in construction they are saying that it's becoming a big issue with staffing.
 
pvr said:
Going back to the app (which I don’t have). Somehow it feels that those who have the app don’t mind being pinged and getting 10 days paid leave.

I have not met a single business person who has it purely because they don’t want to have to (unnecessary) isolate.
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I have it!

But I'm working from home anyway, so doesn't affect me much :P
 
mgrlane said:
pvr said:
Going back to the app (which I don’t have). Somehow it feels that those who have the app don’t mind being pinged and getting 10 days paid leave.
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Some people are deliberately setting up a ping at the moment to get 10 days off work in the sun. It's all over social media on how to do this- it's so easy.

I don't have the app but it looks literally like 6-7 steps.

Like with any system I guess you get abusers. As soon as furlough goes I think there will be a step down in this but speaking with client's in construction they are saying that it's becoming a big issue with staffing.
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A neighbour who works at Nissan in Sunderland has told me they have just sacked 30 staff for having a Covid party. One got contacted by HNS track & Trace so had to isolate. They all arranged to meet before he did so and they all got pinged by the App. How Nissan found out I am not sure but they did and all are now out of well paid jobs.
 
They don’t even need to mingle. Just leave all the phones in a single room and let the COVID infected walk in
 
He joins a very small group of people (1.5%) of the California deaths, I suspect he had comorbidities

Here are the stats For Ron

I do wonder though, why the BBC feels the need to do a report on some random nobody 5000 miles away, gotta sell that narrative somehow!
 
Flyingfifer said:
He joins a very small group of people (1.5%) of the California deaths, I suspect he had comorbidities

Here are the stats For Ron

I do wonder though, why the BBC feels the need to do a report on some random nobody 5000 miles away, gotta sell that narrative somehow!
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Do you think he might have brought that on by mocking the vaccine shortly before becoming a victim of the virus himself?
Rob
 
Not the first one to succumb to this after declaring that something will protect them.
 
Flyingfifer said:
I do wonder though, why the BBC feels the need to do a report on some random nobody 5000 miles away, gotta sell that narrative somehow!
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Probably the same reason you (or mgrlane) have posted about 'some random nobody' thousands of miles away that has suffered adverse reaction to a covid vaccine...

'gotta sell that narrative somehow!...
 
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