Margaret Thatcher
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I hope she burns in hell, and the fires are stoked by the 300 years worth of coal left underground. Now we have exactly what Scargill was predicting and our gas prices are governed by offshore, because no money was invested in clean coal technology.
The people bleating about those prices now should think about that.
also selling the countries silver, and now complaining about lack of housing.
A country ruled by corrupt and useless bankers, earning 6 figure salaries and rewarded for their 'hard work' with a tax cut.
Paying £10m for her funeral "because the ladies not for burning" and getting £3k to attend parliament today, whilst making disabled (and even paralympic athletes) poorer. Thats where your Tory allegiance lies....
and yes I was paying for it during her reign. so I will raise a glass of milk to celebrate her demise.... ding dong the witch is indeed gone..
The people bleating about those prices now should think about that.
also selling the countries silver, and now complaining about lack of housing.
A country ruled by corrupt and useless bankers, earning 6 figure salaries and rewarded for their 'hard work' with a tax cut.
Paying £10m for her funeral "because the ladies not for burning" and getting £3k to attend parliament today, whilst making disabled (and even paralympic athletes) poorer. Thats where your Tory allegiance lies....
and yes I was paying for it during her reign. so I will raise a glass of milk to celebrate her demise.... ding dong the witch is indeed gone..
Carol M said:
That's a pretty much how I feel. I don't mourn her passing, but I won't celebrate it either.
I wondered when a thread of Mrs T would emerge.
I live in coal-mining community and I must admit I have a wry smile when I hear ex-miners talk about how she "destroyed communities and lives". It might be unpalatable to say it but they had it coming. Too many years of thinking they ran the show and that they could hold the country to ransom. What happened when the pits left open were privatised? They lasted but a few years because the mines were uneconomical. Instead of blaming her they should look at themselves and their local councils who fiddled while Rome burnt and did nothing to prepare those communities for a life after coal.
Oh and these wonderful hard-working miners...were they the same ones who shouted "scabs" at 14 year old boys running past Sherwood Colliery on a school cross-country whilst they were embarking on illegal flying picketing? I have a long memory.
Best post-war PM. Period. How many of her policies have since been undone? We had 12 years of Labour and they didn't seem very keen to undo them.
I live in coal-mining community and I must admit I have a wry smile when I hear ex-miners talk about how she "destroyed communities and lives". It might be unpalatable to say it but they had it coming. Too many years of thinking they ran the show and that they could hold the country to ransom. What happened when the pits left open were privatised? They lasted but a few years because the mines were uneconomical. Instead of blaming her they should look at themselves and their local councils who fiddled while Rome burnt and did nothing to prepare those communities for a life after coal.
Oh and these wonderful hard-working miners...were they the same ones who shouted "scabs" at 14 year old boys running past Sherwood Colliery on a school cross-country whilst they were embarking on illegal flying picketing? I have a long memory.
Best post-war PM. Period. How many of her policies have since been undone? We had 12 years of Labour and they didn't seem very keen to undo them.
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Thatcher was voted in three times, stopped and reserved the EU budget, did what was right for UK on the world stage.....
Just remember she would never have got into power or have to sell off the countries Crown Jewels if the previous Labour government hadn't made such a Horlicks of everything...unfortunately she was necessary
As for the coal industry and unions workers cannot expect a job for life and just because their grandad work down the pit doesn't mean their grandchildren should expect too as well.....
Where thatcher got it wrong is although ton for ton imported open cast coal maybe cheaper , when the social cost is added it isnt and loosing strategic control of a countries energy source is just short sighted.
Cut too deep....
Just to finish off.....hands up all the so called socialists that just happen to have made a fortune from buying and selling their council houses......
Thatcher was voted in three times, stopped and reserved the EU budget, did what was right for UK on the world stage.....
Just remember she would never have got into power or have to sell off the countries Crown Jewels if the previous Labour government hadn't made such a Horlicks of everything...unfortunately she was necessary
As for the coal industry and unions workers cannot expect a job for life and just because their grandad work down the pit doesn't mean their grandchildren should expect too as well.....
Where thatcher got it wrong is although ton for ton imported open cast coal maybe cheaper , when the social cost is added it isnt and loosing strategic control of a countries energy source is just short sighted.
Cut too deep....
Just to finish off.....hands up all the so called socialists that just happen to have made a fortune from buying and selling their council houses......
I am now 47 and have lived and suffered all types of governance and agreed with a few policies but disagreed with most be it decisions to go to war, financial mgmt or social policy, but I just made my mind up to ignore it all and get on with things and not rely on government or others to control my destiny, lives too short to be bitter.
if you ain't got anything good to say say nowt
PS..I am a northern boy brought up in a mining community
if you ain't got anything good to say say nowt
PS..I am a northern boy brought up in a mining community
I saw a quote of hers today, "the trouble with Socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money". Unfortunately that is true, and the people whining about her politics never seem to come up with better suggestions, especially considering the troubled times we were in.
... and the people whining about "she stole school milk"... well that's just pathetic!
My wife is from South Africa and she is asking why everyone is so agressive, especially to someone who has passed away. I have no answer other than that's just the way our country has gone... at the moment I feel ashamed to be British considering the way a lot of our population are behaving :thumbsdown:
... and the people whining about "she stole school milk"... well that's just pathetic!
My wife is from South Africa and she is asking why everyone is so agressive, especially to someone who has passed away. I have no answer other than that's just the way our country has gone... at the moment I feel ashamed to be British considering the way a lot of our population are behaving :thumbsdown:
She has polarised opinion and much of the negative stuff around her make better headlines unfortunately. It was over 30 years ago and the world was a very different place back then (Evening Standard likened it to her coming into power and it being less time back to the inception of the NHS).
Times change and problems evolve. I was only 17 when she stepped down in 1990 but I know enough that she was a steady hand in the Cold War deconstruction when our friends in the US were uncertain of how it should act or be seen as a superpower in a post Vietnam world. Gorbachev I think was also identified by Thatcher as being key in that scenario long before Glasnost.
I mention this simply because as a 10 year old child in the mid 80's this was my single biggest worry; living in fear there would be no tomorrow. Am sure the kids of today have other worries and we can't keep looking look backwards; especially at a period of time that is three decades + away; but IMO what we shouldn't do as a society is celebrate the death of somebody that tried. I for one hope the anarchists - or whatever they call themselves these days - feel sufficiently isolated when it comes to Saturday's 'plans'.
Times change and problems evolve. I was only 17 when she stepped down in 1990 but I know enough that she was a steady hand in the Cold War deconstruction when our friends in the US were uncertain of how it should act or be seen as a superpower in a post Vietnam world. Gorbachev I think was also identified by Thatcher as being key in that scenario long before Glasnost.
I mention this simply because as a 10 year old child in the mid 80's this was my single biggest worry; living in fear there would be no tomorrow. Am sure the kids of today have other worries and we can't keep looking look backwards; especially at a period of time that is three decades + away; but IMO what we shouldn't do as a society is celebrate the death of somebody that tried. I for one hope the anarchists - or whatever they call themselves these days - feel sufficiently isolated when it comes to Saturday's 'plans'.
Admired her greatly and the best Prime minister since Churchill to date, she had balls, without her we would have lost the Falklands, hell she was advised not to send a task force but she went for it anyway and that took guts. I didn't agree with everything she did but what she did do she did it with conviction and above all strength of leadership. compare that with jokers we have today.
Regarding the mining industry, it was dying well before she came into power in 1979 down to years of Labours cancerous Governments especially where Nationalised Industry was concerned. Soaring extraction costs and poor high chlorine coal was also partly to blame that it was becoming unsustainable. I was a Minerals Planner in the early 80s, still am and visiting the coal mines as part of my job it was heartbreaking to see the decline not down to the Thatcher Government. People only ever remember the Miners Strike and blame Thatcher, they don't know the history behind it and the lack of investment. Thank god Scarghill never got his way.
Tim.
Regarding the mining industry, it was dying well before she came into power in 1979 down to years of Labours cancerous Governments especially where Nationalised Industry was concerned. Soaring extraction costs and poor high chlorine coal was also partly to blame that it was becoming unsustainable. I was a Minerals Planner in the early 80s, still am and visiting the coal mines as part of my job it was heartbreaking to see the decline not down to the Thatcher Government. People only ever remember the Miners Strike and blame Thatcher, they don't know the history behind it and the lack of investment. Thank god Scarghill never got his way.
Tim.
Well I am a Northern boy from a pit village also and an ex Cop to boot who policed the miners strike. Most miners on the picket lines did not want to be there but were forced to be. I actually went on a skiing holiday with a group of them during the strike and they were great guys. Scargill should be demonised rather than Maggie. All this anti Thatcher stuff is just rubbish, people forget how things were. I come from a very working class family whose parents never thought in a month of Sundays that they would ever be able to buy their own house, but they did. Respect should be given to the dead who ever they are and like others have said if you can't say anything good then say nowt.
StevenH72 said:
Unfortunately North Korea's sabre rattling pales into insignificance next the threat and world division during the mid 80's, but be interesting to see how that plays out.
Funniest quote on that I saw on Thatcher today though was that it was upsetting Cher Lloyd fans by popularising the hashtag #heardthatcherisdead
TitanTim said:
Same thing in the steelworking industry. I was working in Corby in 1980 when British Steel decided to end steelmaking in a town that once employed 12,000. Cost of iron ore extraction in the area made steelmaking in the works uneconomical. Only one decision to make I'm afraid.
Regardless of what you thought of her, there is no justification for the estimated £8M her funeral is going to cost us. None at all
Question from a foreigner: Would GB be better or worse off today if she wouldn't of been PM back then?
My first vote in a general election was for the right honourable Margaret Thatcher, the thing that she got most right was the de-throning of the unions.
What she got wrong, is a much bigger list, the decimation of manufacturing versus the rapid rise of the service sector. Yes I know manufacturing was inefficient but it was brutal in the way it was reformed. That said, for me, the biggest negative impact she had was on society, the Gordon Gecko that GREED was good, make as much money from other people's money and screw them in the process.
What she got wrong, is a much bigger list, the decimation of manufacturing versus the rapid rise of the service sector. Yes I know manufacturing was inefficient but it was brutal in the way it was reformed. That said, for me, the biggest negative impact she had was on society, the Gordon Gecko that GREED was good, make as much money from other people's money and screw them in the process.