M135i... As soon as the Coupe comes out.
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Correct.
Although they will be able to say the same to M Sport owners
Although they will be able to say the same to M Sport owners
The structure is now M Sport which is a sporty trim level with no mechanical alterations, M performance models which are models built to a price point with some input from M division, then the full fat M car.
It's exactly the same as Audi with their S Line, S models then RS models at the top of the food chain.
The official line from BMW on what makes an M performance car different from a full fat M car is that even if the cars have similar or the same performance on paper the M car will be faster on a track due to the fact it has more parts. There was an interview with the head of M division where he explained it much better than I can, unfortunately I can't find it.
At the moment there are only 2 M performance cars. The M135i (which most people are calling the MLite) and the M550d. Both have the engine and exhaust along with some suspension components provided by the M division. The M badge on these cars is controversial to a lot of people.
It's exactly the same as Audi with their S Line, S models then RS models at the top of the food chain.
The official line from BMW on what makes an M performance car different from a full fat M car is that even if the cars have similar or the same performance on paper the M car will be faster on a track due to the fact it has more parts. There was an interview with the head of M division where he explained it much better than I can, unfortunately I can't find it.
At the moment there are only 2 M performance cars. The M135i (which most people are calling the MLite) and the M550d. Both have the engine and exhaust along with some suspension components provided by the M division. The M badge on these cars is controversial to a lot of people.
It's the nomenclature that BMW have chosen that is the problem. With Audi's S-Line, S and RS there is a clear distinction between each derivative. There isn't that distinction with the M-Performance and M cars. I think it is a mistake personally.
I also would be a bit hacked off if I'd bought a new 1M Coupe 18 months ago and then within a year BMW had released the M135i which is more or less the same power and performance for over £10k less. Takes the p*** out of valued customers IMO.
I also would be a bit hacked off if I'd bought a new 1M Coupe 18 months ago and then within a year BMW had released the M135i which is more or less the same power and performance for over £10k less. Takes the p*** out of valued customers IMO.
Neither is a true M car as they have turbos bolted to the engineManiac said:
a true M car should come with a high revving naturally aspirated engine! ... Only having a little bit of fun 
I wouldn't say no to either the 1M or M135i 
1M's are holding their money well & the M135i is a performance bargain.
I looked at the 135 when it came out.... if you get the M135 ( a 135 with all the M bits except an M motor) and put Dinan Stage II in it, it becomes the best bargain on the market.
Although a little funny looking it has almost 400hp and 425lbs of torque. ... add up the total price and it's a bargain. A little car that handles, has a back seat and will scare the bejeezus out of most Porsches etc.....and the drop top version is just more of a good thing.
Although a little funny looking it has almost 400hp and 425lbs of torque. ... add up the total price and it's a bargain. A little car that handles, has a back seat and will scare the bejeezus out of most Porsches etc.....and the drop top version is just more of a good thing.
LeeZ4MR said:Neither is a true M car as they have turbos bolted to the engine
1M's are holding their money well & the M135i is a performance bargain.
Looks like the normally aspirated engine has gone now!
http://www.bmwblog.com/2013/01/31/engine-code-s55-for-next-bmw-m3-m4/
I know Breaker I realised its the end!Breaker said:LeeZ4MR said:Neither is a true M car as they have turbos bolted to the engine
1M's are holding their money well & the M135i is a performance bargain.
Looks like the normally aspirated engine has gone now!
http://www.bmwblog.com/2013/01/31/engine-code-s55-for-next-bmw-m3-m4/
the problem with natural aspiration is you don't get much torque my M3 is a fine example of that, whereas if you bolt a couple of turbos to an engine it gives you boost at all revs A good example is if I was say following a 1M & he floored it I wouldn't have a chance of catching him because of his low down pull.
I just live in the past too much I like manual boxes & the throttle response of a engine without a turbo...but the future is exciting cars are getting more power & lower emissions that's got to be a positive
If i'd bought a 1M I wouldn't be at all pissed off about the M135i. It looks as fast on paper but believe me, it isn't. The 2 being pitted against each other is well documented on babybmw and the 1M always comes out top. None of the M135i owners on their are under the impression it is faster or it's actually an M car. Most are actually debugging for as it's much more fun that way (looks no different to a 116d M Sport). In fact, if I had a 1M i'd be over the moon. Almost flat depreciation and highly unlikely you are ever going to park next to another one. The M135i will be a completely different story. When I picked my car up at the end of December the sales guy told me he had only sold 1. I was speaking to him this week and he said he's sold another 10 since..... and that's just the ones he's sold.
I've just ordered an m135,
Feels like I am moving out of a beauty (z4c sort) into an ugly beast, but 5 doors needed and nothing else seemed to offer the practicality and driving entertainment at that price point.
I wish it looked a little more individual (could be a 116 m sport) but the engine has all the best bits of the z4c 3 litre with more. Hoping to see 30mpg, insurance ridiculously cheap for some reason and hopefully decent residuals. May be being a bit optimistic here, but hoping it tracks an s3 which have great residuals.
A beautiful black coupe with BMW warranty will be available soon!
Feels like I am moving out of a beauty (z4c sort) into an ugly beast, but 5 doors needed and nothing else seemed to offer the practicality and driving entertainment at that price point.
I wish it looked a little more individual (could be a 116 m sport) but the engine has all the best bits of the z4c 3 litre with more. Hoping to see 30mpg, insurance ridiculously cheap for some reason and hopefully decent residuals. May be being a bit optimistic here, but hoping it tracks an s3 which have great residuals.
A beautiful black coupe with BMW warranty will be available soon!
Mowflow said:When you are sitting inside you won't give a stuff about it's looks on the outside, the interior is a massive leap forward compared to the E85/86. In saying that, I've grown to really like the way my f20 looks on the outside. Marmite car I guess.
Reminds me of this for some reason:
