M&S & Muslim Staff
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I'd like to think we can differentiate between genuine refugees and benefit tourists.
I think Tim is right to be concerned about Syrian refugees - how are we to know whether or not we are letting in radicalised rebels in to the UK for example? - but that doesn't mean we need to lift the drawbridge completely.
original guvnor said:
If compassion is the driving force inspired in us by the plight of the refugee then I would hope that we would act immediately and at least allow the most vulnerable of them in. Women, children and the elderly.
As to radicalisation within the UK I would say that the impression given is that the country is full of radical extremists and that the majority of muslims in the UK are sympathetic to them and their cause.
I would like to reassure you that it is a tiny minority with little in the way of sympathisers. I am not saying that we should not remain alert and that is something the muslims themselves are keen to police and rightly so.
As has been mentioned the 'muslims' who live in the west as it were are quite comfortable selling pork, alcohol, cigarettes and the odd top shelf magazine to make a few quid so I dont think they will be rushing anywhere to buy a rucksack and end it all.
As a person who has read the quran in context I have found nothing that extols extremism.
I read a lot of anti religious comment and I am happy for everyone to carry their view but it would be wonderful if people had the time to research the topic and not rely on all that they see and hear on the tv.
Even though we have digressed
What I meant was, be extremely vigilant, but not to the point where you say "we won't take any of their refugees". Tim I think, was expressing a valid concern, but it isn't reason enough to impose an outright ban.
A secular world please, for all our sakes. A bit more here:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/atheism/types/secularism.shtml
A secular world please, for all our sakes. A bit more here:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/atheism/types/secularism.shtml
This case shows the tip of a very large iceberg.
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/10754059.Man_made___300k_from_fake_goods__court_hears/
He got asylum here in the end by claiming his parents were killed by a regime they didn't support. Initially his asylum was refused until he suddenly remembered he had been tortured too. Evidence also showed it was almost 100% likely he was sending the money back to the "dead parents" as they were identifying themselves when they collected the money.
Will his citizenship be revoked do you think? What a soft touch we are
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/10754059.Man_made___300k_from_fake_goods__court_hears/
He got asylum here in the end by claiming his parents were killed by a regime they didn't support. Initially his asylum was refused until he suddenly remembered he had been tortured too. Evidence also showed it was almost 100% likely he was sending the money back to the "dead parents" as they were identifying themselves when they collected the money.
Will his citizenship be revoked do you think? What a soft touch we are
Z4MO said:original guvnor said:
OG, I was just putting my thoughts into the mix rather than having a go and apologies if my post carried any of that flavour.
As to refugees I would personally leave it to the neighbouring or nearer countries who are not in conflict to take responsibility and let any other nation that feels sympathetic send aid in whatever form to the adopting country.
As regards secularism I feel it would be mainly the church of England that has anything to lose in this country having looked at the article. I can't comment further as I have not read about secularism in any detail at all.
Gargybloke said:This case shows the tip of a very large iceberg.
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/10754059.Man_made___300k_from_fake_goods__court_hears/
He got asylum here in the end by claiming his parents were killed by a regime they didn't support. Initially his asylum was refused until he suddenly remembered he had been tortured too. Evidence also showed it was almost 100% likely he was sending the money back to the "dead parents" as they were identifying themselves when they collected the money.
Will his citizenship be revoked do you think? What a soft touch we are
Haven't looked at the article but from what you say he isn't a refugee so should be repatriated immediately
original guvnor said:
Well we've put Irish terrorists in the Irish parliament, so we're hardly a beacon of good examples already.
I don't see the problem with anyone being allowed entry being told "start preaching hate, commit crimes etc and there's a one way ticket home waiting for you"
Z4MO said:Z4MO said:original guvnor said:
OG, I was just putting my thoughts into the mix rather than having a go and apologies if my post carried any of that flavour.
As to refugees I would personally leave it to the neighbouring or nearer countries who are not in conflict to take responsibility and let any other nation that feels sympathetic send aid in whatever form to the adopting country.
As regards secularism I feel it would be mainly the church of England that has anything to lose in this country having looked at the article. I can't comment further as I have not read about secularism in any detail at all.
Gargybloke said:This case shows the tip of a very large iceberg.
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/10754059.Man_made___300k_from_fake_goods__court_hears/
He got asylum here in the end by claiming his parents were killed by a regime they didn't support. Initially his asylum was refused until he suddenly remembered he had been tortured too. Evidence also showed it was almost 100% likely he was sending the money back to the "dead parents" as they were identifying themselves when they collected the money.
Will his citizenship be revoked do you think? What a soft touch we are
Haven't looked at the article but from what you say he isn't a refugee so should be repatriated immediately
No offence taken at all Z4MO! I always enjoy reading your posts.
The bits about secularism I like are detachment from the state, no faith schools, a standard curriculum where all religions (and aethism) are studied equally and where children are taught that no one religion or belief is superior to any other. Then we have a chance for a more peaceful future.
TitanTim said:
You were "lucky" enough to have born into a relatively peaceful environment in the UK, but in your eyes, it's just bad luck for those not as fortunate?
As for the all or nothing part of your stance, sure we may not be helping all and may not be able to help all the refugees from around the world, but that fact shouldn't preclude us from helping where we can. Regardless of the political motivations to help Syrian refugees over others, any help we can offer to those genuinely in need should be offered.
If we all had your outlook on life then project Marmite would never have received the good natured help the forum gave.
I know you have concerns regarding benefit tourism and allowing hate preachers / extremists into the UK, but I don't think this fear should preclude us from trying to identify and help genuine refugees.
StevenH72 said:
We are all lucky to be living in the UK, but yes pretty black and white to me, we shouldn't be allowing more and more people into the UK, who ever they are. As already mentioned we're a soft touch and as long as this country remains so it will be milked for all its worth.
If we should be doing anything proactive it is to encourage or otherwise to take steps to ensure Governments of those countries in dire straights sort their own mess out.
Tim.
