M&S & Muslim Staff

lux good said:
A check out girl has never declined to handle my pork before!! :wink:
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I haven't read the article but if he or she is a PRACTISING Muslim then they are in a tricky situation working in a supermarket. Great that employers recognise principles of peoples faith and allow them to work in areas that don't compromise their religious beliefs but If you are on a checkout then you should do the job or before you sit at the checkout hand in your resignation . As has been mentioned the rest is about selling papers. Oh the joy of being a Muslim
 
Nondizzyblonde said:
McBee has a point - not being sterreotypical, but lots of convenience stores are owned by Muslims, and they have no problem selling alcohol and bacon.
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Don't forget cigarettes and the top shelf literature ( not much reading material I know )to mention a few :?
 
Woots said:
Tbh I read it on bbc, and the headline makes it sound a bit ott. The clerk apologised and was polite about it. So I think it's been blown a bit out of proportion a bit.

Okay I don't agree with the issue, I mean, I don't like gay porn but I'd still scan a magazine if someone wanted to buy it
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i agree this country has nothing better to do than blow small things out of context...... its boring.
 
This is all a bit crazy! Like people have said, why go for a job at a company that sells goods against your religion?

I myself have no problems with anyone's faith but I do hate religion, because a religion is a way of controlling with rule making of someones faith!
 
Breaker said:
This is all a bit crazy! Like people have said, why go for a job at a company that sells goods against your religion?

I myself have no problems with anyone's faith but I do hate religion, because a religion is a way of controlling with rule making of someones faith!
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We have people who become RCMP officers but refused to wear the uniform Hat, now we have RCMP officers with Turbans. which is bullsh*t. I worked with a Sikh at Royal Dutch and beards and long hair or turbans weren't allowed so he had a dispensation for his entire career. He was clean shaven and had short hair. When he retires he grows his hair and stops shaving. There was never a problem.......

IMHO, if you don't like the rules, don't play the game.
 
Just to point out this doesn't only happen with muslims:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jan/16/atheism-christian-advertisements-buses
 
This is ridiculous, no matter if it has been blown out of proportion. What would the person in question do if they walked down the road and saw someone eating a pork pie? Scream for the infidel to be arrested?

Reminds me of the press stories of the Christian teacher not allowed to wear a cross on her necklace, yet other religions allowed to wear their religous dress code etc....

Just hypocritical, and wrong.

Yes, I will be branded a racist for this, but I am not - I am happy for any person, regarless of colour or religion to live their ways in the UK, but when it gets to discriminating against Christian people, then thats taking to p$ss!

I'd go into the shop, put some bacon and some alcohol at the bottom and back of my trolley, then fill the trolley with several hundred pounds worth of stuff (i.e. like people do at Christmas to stock up cos the shops are closed for 1 day). I'd take it to the said persons till, let them scan everything until they saw the offending articles and refused to scan those....then I'd say "feck it, I dont want it now" and walk out leaving them to put the shopping back.

Work in a job where you might be asked to do things you dont like? Bugger me, I might ask my boss if I can be excused from some of my duties cos I dont agree with them!

What ever next - lists of permited items through the till, like hand luggage at the airport!
 
mcbeee said:
Stuart Truman said:
It would be like me working in a gin store, I have an issue with guns so I won't be applying to work in one. Simples.
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I didn't think there were any gun stores left in the UK, lots of gin stores but no gun stores.
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Still have gun (and gin :) ) stores in the UK. Restrictions on gun ownership exists, handguns and automatic weapons are banned for the general population, but shotguns and rifles are available if you have a license. We have a gun shop in our village...


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I'm with Stuart. Put aside the religious factor. This is more about ability to meet job spec requirements.

If you knew you couldn't perform certain aspects of a job - why apply?

My job spec has required competencies, qualification requirements, academic standards etc. If I couldn't meet them, I wouldn't expect to have a job.

I sympathise for any muslim staff who have been forced by the corporate machine to work in positions that they didnt want.

I think M&S have made an almighty cock up here. A bit like being a PR rep and making an outrageous tweet before jumping on a long haul flight to SA..... :roll:
 
On the "news" Asda, Tesco, Sainsbury have all been asked the same questions and came out with the same wishy washy PC stuff. If I go to a checkout I expect to be "processed" in good time. This is LOP!!

I am friendly with a Muslim family who own numerous shops across our region, they practice they WASABI Sudia Arabia stuff and have no problem selling pork/ alcohol etc. They wont consume it or touch the raw article but have no problem at all handling the packaged article!

Big business being taken for a PC ride is my take on it! Grrrrrr
 
Stuart Truman said:
Set all issues of religion to one side for a moment, why apply for a job if you know that for some moral reason you can't do it?

It would be like me working in a gin store, I have an issue with guns so I won't be applying to work in one. Simples.
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But this IS about religion. Our society is so afraid to offend any religion safe for one, (Christianity is excluded as it's openly acceptable to insult them)

Yes sir, I want that job that involves selling alcohol but ONLY on MY terms (which excludes me from selling alcohol due to my religion). You know for a fact that if that person was refused the job due to their religious convictions resulting in them not being able to do all the work required of the position, They would be shopping for a barrister to sue for religious discrimination. I'm sure there would be a line a barristers extending around the block for that one, Provided the complainant(s) aren't Christian.
 
No offence intended to anyone but when I read the Bible it was clear that alcohol and pork were to be avoided and that it advises women to cover their heads. I feel its good idea to read the subject we're making comment on before doing so.

As for Muslims who practise their faith with knowledge, they aren't allowed to sell or give anything to others which is forbidden to them.
So if I somehow came into possession of alcohol, cigarettes, pork etc I couldn't just hand it over to my non Muslim friend. So the 'muslims' who sell pork, alcohol, cigarettes etc aren't following the Islamic faith.

As I said earlier if it goes against your religious beliefs or principles then don't apply for the job in the first place and let someone else have it
 
That is from the old testament, which is what the Jews base their views on, whilst the new testament revokes that, which is what the Christians primarily base Christianity on.
 
Well to be absolutely accurate, God appears to have had a change of heart from Old to New testament. In the Old testament although alcohol is seen as part of rituals, major characters such as Samson are generally cautioned against it :
Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean,
(Judges 13:4 NIV)
However, by the time we get to the New testament, Jesus is turning water to wine :
Once more he visited Cana in Galilee, where he had turned the water into wine. And there was a certain royal official whose son lay sick at Capernaum.
John 4:46

Sorry, can't help it, I'm the agnostic child of vicars.
 
pvr said:
That is from the old testament, which is what the Jews base their views on, whilst the new testament revokes that, which is what the Christians primarily base Christianity on.
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I read the new testament which was the King James edition and I believe it was revision no 4 or 5. I can upload chapter and verse if you really want me to substantiate what I've read, it was a while ago and memory is getting fuzzy but not that bad that I've confused the Torah with the Bible :thumbsup:
 
Z4MO said:
pvr said:
That is from the old testament, which is what the Jews base their views on, whilst the new testament revokes that, which is what the Christians primarily base Christianity on.
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I read the new testament which was the King James edition and I believe it was revision no 4 or 5. I can upload chapter and verse if you really want me to substantiate what I've read, it was a while ago and memory is getting fuzzy but not that bad that I've confused the Torah with the Bible :thumbsup:
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Generally, the New Testament recommends not getting p*ssed and just drinking alcohol in moderation.

Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses.
1Timothy 5:23

Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit.
Ephesians 5:18
 
Well, as a non alcoholic drinker (don't like the taste), at least I comply to the rules either way then. :D
 
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