M market watch

Some interesting opinions well argued.
When I was considering buying my current Zed I looked to the forum for opinions on its forecourt price. The unanimous feedback was that it was overpriced. I bought it anyway :oops:
I guess my point is that people buy for different reasons - some buy with the heart, others with the head; I wanted a keeper and loved the colour and the low miles. Like many buyers I wasn’t thinking about depreciation or future re-sale price. However, if it’s a second or third car you may need to make more practical car buying decisions.
The buyer’s market will be made up of both extremes and will find its own level. IMO no one single person, or forum for that matter, will have much effect on the overall market for these wonderful cars.
 
It's an interesting observation - we are pretty bad at talking down our own cars, where most owners talk them up. I've probably been guilty by falling for the forum OCD around the shell bearings being a service item!

The fact is that to get a car anything like the Z4M you have to pay considerably more - think TVR Tuscan, Lotus 111R, Z3M, what else is there under £20k? And those options are far less practical and reliable than the Z4MC. In fact, what else is available under £30k that can be used as an everyday car but also feels special and doesn't cost silly money to maintain well? Maybe a few ropey Nobels? That is what defines a bargain: you're getting a lot more for your money than you can get elsewhere.

If you constantly think talking negatively about values doesn't impact the market then you're delusional...if everyone on here swore not to list a single car under £15k, that would soon become the floor price because other sellers and even dealers look around at what else is available before pricing their cars - and they naturally want the best price so if critical mass (e.g. 25%) of the market is pricing high, the rest (e.g. 75%) will see this and follow suit.

Ps. I ignore the Cayman and Boxster because they're completely different cars - they're boringly competent, not aggressive, 'old school' sports cars. Just look at the number of people (myself included) who've been left numb by Porsche's offerings.
 
I Imagine time of year plays a small part on pricing with these cars, and how quickly you want to sell.

I have kept an eye on this thread due to the fact im in the market for a Z, some of the posts made me believe I could get a clean car with good history and spec for 12-13k, but the cars viewed don't echo this.

Anyway, i placed a deposit on one last Saturday from a dealer so hope to meet you guys and girls at some point. :thumbsup:
 
To help get this back on track I paid £14995 at the end of October 2016. 2006 with 39k on it FSH Monaco blue. I know I paid more for it than the previous owner did 4 years earlier. I have his receipt.

Its in nice condition for a 10 year old car, it has stone chips on the front. Some of the leather could do with a bit of colour and a condinioner and the steering wheel buttons seem to be a bit worn and need some black paint or something. The rear discs are quite rusty and will probably need replacing sooner rather than later.

This was a private sale and the car was better than any I saw at dealers.
 
Anakin said:
To help get this back on track I paid £14995 at the end of October 2016. 2006 with 39k on it FSH Monaco blue. I know I paid more for it than the previous owner did 4 years earlier. I have his receipt.

Its in nice condition for a 10 year old car, it has stone chips on the front. Some of the leather could do with a bit of colour and a condinioner and the steering wheel buttons seem to be a bit worn and need some black paint or something. The rear discs are quite rusty and will probably need replacing sooner rather than later.

This was a private sale and the car was better than any I saw at dealers.
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Sounds like you got a cracking deal. :thumbsup:
 
afennell said:
Anakin said:
To help get this back on track I paid £14995 at the end of October 2016. 2006 with 39k on it FSH Monaco blue. I know I paid more for it than the previous owner did 4 years earlier. I have his receipt.

Its in nice condition for a 10 year old car, it has stone chips on the front. Some of the leather could do with a bit of colour and a condinioner and the steering wheel buttons seem to be a bit worn and need some black paint or something. The rear discs are quite rusty and will probably need replacing sooner rather than later.

This was a private sale and the car was better than any I saw at dealers.
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Sounds like you got a cracking deal. :thumbsup:
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So tell us about yours? When do you collect it - you must be very excited :thumbsup:
 
original guvnor said:
They also tend to attract the sort of person who wants to buy a Z4M who will tell you they are worthless and then when they buy one all of a sudden it's an appreciating classic.
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This. I remember about 3 years back one forum guy slating values massively whilst he was looking – was so obvious what he was up to – then of course never a peep about values once he found his perfect car.

I sold mine a couple of weeks ago – and winter is never a great time to sell a sports car – but I did consider posting an ad for it on the forum but decided against as a) I didn't really want any negative comments, the likes of which I've seen on other owners' ads, and b) I thought my asking price might be criticised for being too high. I think there is something to be said that some members are valuing some cars lower than they should, and let's be honest: no one could ever argue that there are lots of posts here that are actively trying to raise the value of these rare cars, which one might expect on an owners' forum, or even innocently being optimistic with pricing.

I've seen it before on other forums: when I had my Alfa GTV any potential new owner who mentioned that they were going to view a car was often told to ask about some pretty obscure thing to help try to knock the price down... So let me get this straight: you're trying to help a stranger buy the same car you have, for the lowest price possible, at the expense of a fellow GTV owner who also might be on that very same forum? I just don't get that at all.
 
markos.... your middle paragraph says it all to me...... when we have members that are discouraged from posting on here because of criticism re the valuation they've set for their vehicle or comments in their FS advert... really its time for a bit of a change of forum culture.
 
Beedub said:
markos.... your middle paragraph says it all to me...... when we have members that are discouraged from posting on here because of criticism re the valuation they've set for their vehicle or comments in their FS advert... really its time for a bit of a change of forum culture.
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Bang on!

Mods, please could we have a frank discussion on FS section rules and their enforcement?
 
breezer said:
Beedub said:
markos.... your middle paragraph says it all to me...... when we have members that are discouraged from posting on here because of criticism re the valuation they've set for their vehicle or comments in their FS advert... really its time for a bit of a change of forum culture.
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Bang on!

Mods, please could we have a frank discussion on FS section rules and their enforcement?
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What again ! ! Its been discussed so many times before
Seems to me there are some members who want to control what's written if they don't like what it is ?
The vibe coming here from a small minority may actually put many off commenting even if they have something constructive to offer ?
Then we wouldn't have a free open forum , it would be more a dictatorship :(
 
afennell said:
I Imagine time of year plays a small part on pricing with these cars, and how quickly you want to sell.

I have kept an eye on this thread due to the fact im in the market for a Z, some of the posts made me believe I could get a clean car with good history and spec for 12-13k, but the cars viewed don't echo this.

Anyway, i placed a deposit on one last Saturday from a dealer so hope to meet you guys and girls at some point. :thumbsup:
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Glad you got sorted , there aren't that many to choose from so finding cars that meet criteria can be difficult
How many cars did you view & how many of those were forum members cars ?
 
markos said:
I've seen it before on other forums: when I had my Alfa GTV any potential new owner who mentioned that they were going to view a car was often told to ask about some pretty obscure thing to help try to knock the price down... So let me get this straight: you're trying to help a stranger buy the same car you have, for the lowest price possible, at the expense of a fellow GTV owner who also might be on that very same forum? I just don't get that at all.
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The info may also help current forum members who has we know many times over often trade up the ladder from their initial Z4 & may be clueless as to what is or isn't a good service history , a good spec or indeed a current fair price from what is a tricky marketplace to predict
You also seem to have missed the fact that new members join up & then become longterm members so why should it be they were not privvy to the same inside info ?
Some real elitist sentiments coming across from a certain few members :(
 
mr wilks said:
markos said:
I've seen it before on other forums: when I had my Alfa GTV any potential new owner who mentioned that they were going to view a car was often told to ask about some pretty obscure thing to help try to knock the price down... So let me get this straight: you're trying to help a stranger buy the same car you have, for the lowest price possible, at the expense of a fellow GTV owner who also might be on that very same forum? I just don't get that at all.
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The info may also help current forum members who has we know many times over often trade up the ladder from their initial Z4 & may be clueless as to what is or isn't a good service history , a good spec or indeed a current fair price from what is a tricky marketplace to predict
You also seem to have missed the fact that new members join up & then become longterm members so why should it be they were not privvy to the same inside info ?
Some real elitist sentiments coming across from a certain few members :(
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Nonsense to an elitist sentiment from me I can assure you of that, that specific comment on GTVs was about how some new owners loved to brag about what great hagglers they are, "I got mine for peanuts!" then they'd disappear after a month after realising they'd bought a shed which needed thousands spent on it. I'm not against pre-purchase advice, what to look out for and avoid and you will never see anything from me that is contrary to that, but in that specific example of GTVs there were relatively new owners advising potential new owners to knock the price of a GTV down if it hadn't had an after-market Q2 diff fitted as an upgrade, which was utterly, utterly nonsense.

Back in the day I was a member of an owner's club (VW Corrado) pre internet. Their quarterly magazine would have owners' cars for sale and these would always be priced strongly reflecting that they were club cars, usually excellent condition, but we all knew the pricing was a little optimistic. Since clubs have pretty much died out to online forums, this practice of keeping prices strong has been lost completely (and joining a club paying a subscription and joining a free forum are two very different things), and in the case of this forum I'd say it does the opposite: it actually values these cars lower than the real market value in many cases. As I said, it's a crazy concept to me, lacking logic. It didn't affect me thankfully, I got a great price for my car and it's now actually in my interests to keep Z4M prices as low as possible as I may get back into one in the future, but in reality this forum ought to value these cars a little higher than it does so it accurately reflects advertising/selling prices.
 
mr wilks said:
What again ! ! Its been discussed so many times before
Seems to me there are some members who want to control what's written if they don't like what it is ?
The vibe coming here from a small minority may actually put many off commenting even if they have something constructive to offer ?
Then we wouldn't have a free open forum , it would be more a dictatorship :(
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Poppycock. We can write whatever we want anywhere in the forum. What I'm suggesting is that for sale threads shouldn't be allowed any comments on valuation. You can comment on whether you think there's anything dodgy about it, but I don't see why you should comment more than that really.
 
Beedub said:
markos.... your middle paragraph says it all to me...... when we have members that are discouraged from posting on here because of criticism re the valuation they've set for their vehicle or comments in their FS advert... really its time for a bit of a change of forum culture.
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Agreed beedub and OG. I've noted on occasions as well when long term forum members sell their cars not a bad or negative word is said against their valuation or car when apparently everyone else is fair game for the endless over valued comments or other various digs.

I wouldn't sell my car on this forum out of principle personally, seen too many times someone trying to sell their car with pages worth of comments just bashing valuations or getting involved when they have no interest in the car in question. Each to their own I suppose, and I have been guilty in the past to be fair but certainly not anymore. But whatever, it's an open forum I suppose so just the way it is, not any different to any other forum out there I doubt!

Tbh, I've no idea why people find the need to comment on values in the for sale section when they have no interest in the car or even looking to purchase said model of car. I don't believe it's to 'help others' who may not know, it's almost like a guilty pleasure for some to get involved just because they can or think they know the market better then everyone else. If a buyers done their research on the car they will know rough market value, if they haven't, a fool and his money are easily parted.
 
Well @Beedub ,@AndyBeech @ Markos @breezer as it appears theirs now a multitude of you happy to single me out i can't do much else but stand my corner
I guess i should feel flattered that you felt the need to get involved & back each other up :? i don't cause in reality i couldn't give a toss what you think :oops: at least 3 of you have written plenty of b0ll0x i never commented as i'm more amused by it than annoyed

Now just before you do hang me high or perhaps anyone else joins in maybe just have the decency to read back the last 2 months sale posts containing approx 20 forum members cars
A quick scan earlier i counted just 3 comments from myself out of approx 350 by others :roll: 2 are positive & 1 suggests adding the current miles to the advert :wink:

However as the situation of adding comments to certain posts / threads is clearly annoying to some members i'm going to refrain from commenting on any sale post by a forum member & also to completely withdraw from this particular ///M market watch thread ( i will however still be contributing to my own 3.0 Coupe watch thread as it shouldn't effect any of you :) )

Now all you need to do is convince everyone else who offers their comments or thoughts to the relevant threads to do the same & you can all rest easy :thumbsup:

Bw
 
mr wilks said:
Well @Beedub ,@AndyBeech @ Markos @breezer as it appears theirs now a multitude of you happy to single me out i can't do much else but stand my corner
I guess i should feel flattered that you felt the need to get involved & back each other up :? i don't cause in reality i couldn't give a toss what you think :oops: at least 3 of you have written plenty of b0ll0x i never commented as i'm more amused by it than annoyed

Now just before you do hang me high or perhaps anyone else joins in maybe just have the decency to read back the last 2 months sale posts containing approx 20 forum members cars
A quick scan earlier i counted just 3 comments from myself out of approx 350 by others :roll: 2 are positive & 1 suggests adding the current miles to the advert :wink:

However as the situation of adding comments to certain posts / threads is clearly annoying to some members i'm going to refrain from commenting on any sale post by a forum member & also to completely withdraw from this particular ///M market watch thread ( i will however still be contributing to my own 3.0 Coupe watch thread as it shouldn't effect any of you :) )

Now all you need to do is convince everyone else who offers their comments or thoughts to the relevant threads to do the same & you can all rest easy :thumbsup:

Bw
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Relax man, it's not a dig at you. I've just found the for sale section more pleasant on other car forums that have banned irrelevant posting in that section and was suggesting the same rule could make sense here. I didn't have anyone specific in mind when I commented on that.

It'd be a shame for you to pull out of interesting and productive threads because our thoughts came across more negatively than we had intended.
 
I enjoy reading comments on the sale posts, as long as it's well meaning/not insulting, nobody should object as it's a public forum with interaction from its members.
It would be a sad day if comments were deemed to be not allowed by a certain few-it would be no different from looking at autotrader where no comments exist :thumbsdown:
Keep it as it is, it's healthy imho
Rob
 
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