Loud tappet like noises from Engine....

RedUn said:
They can collect debris and particles, only to release them again at some point in the future. Not worth the risk basically!

I think you can dismantle the oil pump completely with a few screws and a circlip that holds in the pressure valve?
But its not something thats in bmw workshop manuals (as usual); a bit like the vanos. BMW only knows replace.

All particles will get trapped in the oil filter once its gone through the pump (it pumps directly in the filter). All cars are set up like that. First the filter, then it goes to the critical points like bearings.

Maybe they replace it because they fear the oil pump suffered damage.
 
Guido definitely, a good strip down and some proper cleaning would sort it but a dealers would never do that these days!

And your right about the filter but all the crap has to go through the pump once and if it's a constant wear over x number miles, all of it has gone through, it just won't have circulated in theory anyway!
 
So have they dropped all the big end shells out and checked the crank ???

Any pics of the spun shell ?

I have rebuilt numerous S54's over the years that have spun the bearing and the crank is ALWAYS marked.. Especially one that is knocked that hard...

Have they removed the cam cover too ?
 
Z4M-2006 said:
So have they dropped all the big end shells out and checked the crank ???

Any pics of the spun shell ?

I have rebuilt numerous S54's over the years that have spun the bearing and the crank is ALWAYS marked.. Especially one that is knocked that hard...

Have they removed the cam cover too ?

They’ll likely to have shafted the con rods as well won’t they Gaz?
 
Good to read things are on the mend. Had several bills in that region, when I ran a FIAT Coupe for 10 years. S54 is a wonderful lump. :wink:
 
for the sake of a grand its really worth doing these bearings at the 70k mark imo..... its cheap insurance....


OP don't drop all this money into it and sell it, you wont recoup anything, may as well run it till it for the foreseeable, even if you stick it in the garage for abit and forget about it if you decide to try something else.
 
Beedub said:
for the sake of a grand its really worth doing these bearings at the 70k mark imo..... its cheap insurance....

Food for thought mines coming up to 60k now.
 
Beedub said:
for the sake of a grand its really worth doing these bearings at the 70k mark imo..... its cheap insurance....


OP don't drop all this money into it and sell it, you wont recoup anything, may as well run it till it for the foreseeable, even if you stick it in the garage for abit and forget about it if you decide to try something else.

Can’t argue with that. I’m going to get an oil analysis done even on only 35k, if all’s well then just keep changing the oil between service schedules and I’ll check the bearings at 50k if I keep it. As you say, cheap as chips insurance.
 
Z4M-2006 said:
So have they dropped all the big end shells out and checked the crank ???

Any pics of the spun shell ?

I have rebuilt numerous S54's over the years that have spun the bearing and the crank is ALWAYS marked.. Especially one that is knocked that hard...

Have they removed the cam cover too ?

+1

Case not closed yet!

Oil pump also replaced by BMW on mine, BTW. Just routine for a bottom end rebuild, as others have said.
 
dannytheduck1985 said:
I sincerely hope your not in my boat. As you can see it’s f##king sunk :(
Started as a slight tick, then got loud


“Did a proper job on it”, as they say. At least you are skilled at putting them back together too, Danny. :D
 
T1berious said:
Right, the last time it was in was last year and it had an Inspection II 2015 so it's due one. I have done a video and currently looking at decent local indies as I've seen horror stories from main dealers with costs north of 4k.....

Last oil change would be last year. It has always gone to a main dealer.

It is however the dreaded marbles in a can sound while idle and rising in frequency with revs.

I'll pop the video into this once I work out how to upload it!

https://youtu.be/Re2J4Di1QDs

Cheers T1b

Engine sounds exactly like mine did.
That’s definitely not followers or cams
That’s bottom end
 
john-e89 said:
Z4M-2006 said:
So have they dropped all the big end shells out and checked the crank ???

Any pics of the spun shell ?

I have rebuilt numerous S54's over the years that have spun the bearing and the crank is ALWAYS marked.. Especially one that is knocked that hard...

Have they removed the cam cover too ?

They’ll likely to have shafted the con rods as well won’t they Gaz?


Sometimes it can do the rod too..

In my experience though it always marks the crank, sometimes not fatally and can be dressed back if customer doesn't want to spend ..

That said , I'm no specialist in the S54, just repaired them within my line of work..
But at the very least I would be checking for journal ovality... it's rare that with a prolonged knock that bad that you get away with it..

I had very good money that it was a top end fault on this car going off the video.. the noise frequency seemed way to fast for bottom end...
I have been wrong before though and I'm sure I will be wrong again
 
Update:

They had the cam covers off and I asked them to check the valve clearances while they were at it.
As I understand it (as stated by others) the oil pump was replaced rather than risk it causing another issue, totally got my vote.

Yes indeed, it was bottom end. I believe the crank was not damaged enough to warrant replacement but as someone who know next to nothing about the inner workings of the S54 Engine I'll have to trust the guy who's working on it :)

(Plus wouldn't they want to replace the crank if it was damaged?)

Plus I'm no where near the Garage so again I can't really pop in and want to see damaged parts and setup a web cam of the work being done (wouldn't that be cool?)

But I will ask about the crank today.

Cheers for all the input guys, the good news is (as I understand it) after this work she'll be good for another 100k! SWMBO is still wanting put the nails in though.....

T1b
 
Z4M-2006 said:
In my experience though it always marks the crank, sometimes not fatally and can be dressed back if customer doesn't want to spend ..
the size tolerance for the crank is quite small. about 0,015mm (0,6 thou ")

the noise frequency seemed way to fast for bottom end...
I thought it was rather slow for the bottom end (and quite fast for the head).
 
Well, to the guys who said it wasn't bottom end...

You were right!

Big ends replaced and noise remains. Engine now going to be removed and stripped.

Ouch!
 
T1berious said:
Well, to the guys who said it wasn't bottom end...

You were right!

Big ends replaced and noise remains. Engine now going to be removed and stripped.

Ouch!

Ouch indeed :cry: at least it will be all fresh when eventually gets diagnosed , almost kinda worrying the "specialist" is playing trial + error though :cry:
 
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