Heel and toe...

Kingash what i would suggest is to first try rev-matching, without the braking part and once you get the hang of that then try the complete heel-toe process. And of course watch heel-toe videos on youtube. Lots of them. :D

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BMWZ4MC- yeah it's an //M coupe, i will look at some pedal covers of some sort, i will start practising from a standstill just getting the motions rights.

Ga41- i usually do try and rev match before i downshift but it's sometimes not be quickest thing to do, that's what made me think maybe it's time to learn to heel and toe, i will take some more time to try wity the Rev matching, one step at a time aye. Thankyou for the vids i will watch em later
 
The big problems with the ///M are the over-servo'ed brakes and the fly-by-wire throttle.
The brakes are too sensitive, especially when augmented by the pre-pressurisation of the system when you close the throttle quickly (this is a safety feature that is supposed to be in anticipation of the need for an emergency stop if the throttle is slammed closed after hard acceleration).
The throttle is under-sensitive in the early part of its travel. Even with the Sport button pressed, the first 10mm of pedal travel elicits little engine response. Compare this with a car that has a throttle cable where any pedal movement immediately opens the throttle.
The net effect is a propensity to over-braking and under blipping of the throttle with heel and toe at low or moderate speeds. On the track where I brake very much harder than on the road, heel and toe is easy.
 
I am also yet to master this in the M, though have it nailed in my E36's as had to in order to stop the rear axle locking up on track days. For me its a pedal issue and i think the only resolve is a plate of some kind per BMWZ4MC. That said often i don't use it on the road as never really need to, aside from it being good practice of course.
 
BMWZ4MC said:
The big problems with the ///M are the over-servo'ed brakes and the fly-by-wire throttle.
The brakes are too sensitive, especially when augmented by the pre-pressurisation of the system when you close the throttle quickly (this is a safety feature that is supposed to be in anticipation of the need for an emergency stop if the throttle is slammed closed after hard acceleration).
The throttle is under-sensitive in the early part of its travel. Even with the Sport button pressed, the first 10mm of pedal travel elicits little engine response. Compare this with a car that has a throttle cable where any pedal movement immediately opens the throttle.
The net effect is a propensity to over-braking and under blipping of the throttle with heel and toe at low or moderate speeds. On the track where I brake very much harder than on the road, heel and toe is easy.
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Yes, exactly. The over-servoe'd brakes and dbw throttle make it less than an pleasure. It is still a big improvement on a 3.0si though, where the throttle delay is worse in either mode.

It is possible to engineer dbw throttles with minimal / almost undetectable lag, as can be seem with many modern motorcycles.
 
I have learnt to do it on the zed. Its not easy with normal road driving but its perfect on track with harder braking.

BMWZ4MC i love that and i will be adding to mine shortly :thumbsup:
 
Machine monkey said:
I have learnt to do it on the zed. Its not easy with normal road driving but its perfect on track with harder braking.

BMWZ4MC i love that and i will be adding to mine shortly :thumbsup:
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Perhaps you could start knocking out a pedal set with this nice little addition for heal toe :poke: :P
 
I dont really want to get involved in anything like that. If someone had a crash and blamed that as a cause. I would feel guilty and i would probably get dragged into court!!

Now if someone asked me to make them a door stop.... I could make you a door stop!!
 
The way I've fitted mine it can pivot out of the way minimising the chance of a mechanic stamping on both pedals whilst going for the brake. An alternative would be to fit a fixed metal extension to the pedal which would be less ugly but lack the adjustability for different footwear and for other drivers.
 
Machine monkey said:
I have learnt to do it on the zed. Its not easy with normal road driving but its perfect on track with harder braking.

BMWZ4MC i love that and i will be adding to mine shortly :thumbsup:
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Cheers - it's the rounded end of a 300mm steel rule. I cut off the last 100mm or so and attached the foot from an old amplifier through the existing hole in the rule. I slipped the cut end under the pedal cover before final tightening of the pedal cover mounting screws. All very simple and cheap to make :thumbsup:
 
OP - maybe the name heel and toe can be taken too literally. . . In my M I use more of a roll of the foot using the inside of the right sole for the brake and the outside of the sole on the throttle with my right foot at a slight angle to cover both pedals. I've found it also helps to have the Sport button on as a dab of the throttle brings more revs when working at the higher rev range rather than having to push the throttle much further when driving without the sport button on. I've found it's a vital technique for driving the M fast on tighter roads as any downshift will upset rear if not rev matched. Piloti driving shoes have a wider sole across the ball of the foot which makes them useful for (so-called) heel and toeing.
(Like other posts have mentioned - there's nothing like having to deal with a car that won't run at low revs or has a dodgy handbrake to help you polish your technique - guess it's more something to do with 'older' cars (and older members?) :lol: )
 
I seem to be in the minority here in saying I find the pedal box ideal for heel and toe, but the car has to be in Sport mode or the throttle is far too slow to pick up
 
paulgs1000 said:
I've found it's a vital technique for driving the M fast on tighter roads as any downshift will upset rear if not rev matched.

it's more something to do with 'older' cars (and older members?) :lol: )
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I can take a hint. :lol:
 
I think I’ve posted this before. This is how to drive a Holden Barina on a twisty road in the far north of Queensland :D

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mjennings23 said:
I seem to be in the minority here in saying I find the pedal box ideal for heel and toe, but the car has to be in Sport mode or the throttle is far too slow to pick up
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Totally agree, near impossible without the perked up throttle response in Sport mode!
 
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