Heel & toe video request

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Woots

Lifer
Milton Keynes
I know this has been discussed before but no ones done a video of it yet

After chirping the rear wheels during the Kent meet by changing from 4th to 2nd or 3rd I realised it's about time I did something about it...if only for the nice noise it makes

Watched a few how to videos last night but none seemed to relate to the set up in the zed. During my commute to work this morn thru the city it's quite rare ill get the chance to practice

It seems the accelerator is too low with regards to the brake and too far over

So in order to roll my foot to the right I'd need to be heavy on the brakes, my concern would be that by rolling my foot to clip accel with the right of my foot I'd inadvertently reduce brake pressure, crash into a tree and die

But trying to swivel my foot and clip it with my heel just means I can only touch the bottom hinge part of the accelerator. I obv need some time static in the car practicing, but by pumping the brakes to practice obv the brake just goes rock hard and doesn't move at all so I can't practice

So if anyone can help, or post a video tutorial I will gladly perform sexual favours in return

Kind regards

Woots
 
You will only get it right by constant practice...Just practice at low speeds to get you foot positioning correct.

Once mastered it becomes second nature... :thumbsup:
 
Z4M-2006 said:
You will only get it right by constant practice...Just practice at low speeds to get you foot positioning correct.

Once mastered it becomes second nature... :thumbsup:
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Can you do it by just braking gently though? I feel that if I brake lightly I'd need to really tilt my foot to catch the accelerator?
 
My wife has dancing size 5s perfected in a series of Lotuses she had before we met.
She shames me with her ability behind a wheel. Think of a brunette VBH.
It is hard to do properly and my size 10s don't help.
Its like patting your head and rubbing your belly or is that rubbing your head and patting your belly :)
Practice makes perfect I guess

Sent from some bloody gadget using Tapatalk
 
The right shoes help, I've just about got there in the M after having worked it out in #69. The pedals are definitely different.

Exodus recommended a set of pedal covers although I've not tried this. The idea seems sound though
 
No different pedals required. At least i dont. I find that shoes with thick soles like trainers make it much harder so if you're trying with something like that wear your sneakers.

Woots said:
So in order to roll my foot to the right I'd need to be heavy on the brakes, my concern would be that by rolling my foot to clip accel with the right of my foot I'd inadvertently reduce brake pressure, crash into a tree and die
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That's how i do it some of the times. I press the brakes with the left part of the foot (big toe and left part of ball of the foot) and then roll and blip the pedal with the right side of the foot. Takes some practice but can be done with light braking as well. Some times when more braking pressure is required i do a more traditional heel-toe swivelling the whole foot.
 
There you go Woots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuoZeuSgEj4

Easy according to Mrs GregZ4.... :|
 
I have been trying this Woots for a while. Your not alone in finding it difficult. I don't know if an ///M has a sport button? But i can only just manage it with sport on my car. The problems you describe ring true with me the loud pedal is to far below the brake. So on track with heavy braking its probably easier to do. But normal road driving conditions its not. I brought some of said pedal covers and it has not made a difference for me. But what i can do now and will be doing by the weekend is to remove the accelerator pedal drawing round it and making a spacer to see if it helps. I will report back.

I think its just one of things once you can do it as said above its second nature. I find i cant keep and even braking pressure and blip witch is a worry!!
 
My heel-and-toe "technique" is still too rough, but as others have rightly remarked, there are two prerequisites here: right shoes (mine are wider and have a good feel) and the sport button. The latter allows a high-rev blip at the slightest touch. Anyway, I first practiced rev-matching alone, and then moved on the heel-and-toe. There still plenty I must learn, but it gives me fun anyway.
 
corsaire77 said:
My heel-and-toe "technique" is still too rough, but as others have rightly remarked, there are two prerequisites here: right shoes (mine are wider and have a good feel) and the sport button. The latter allows a high-rev blip at the slightest touch. Anyway, I first practiced rev-matching alone, and then moved on the heel-and-toe. There still plenty I must learn, but it gives me fun anyway.
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That's a good way to go. Sport button might make it easier at first but the on-off nature of the gas pedal with Sport mode makes it hard to drive the car quickly. Too twitchy. Best to practice until you can do it without sport mode.
 
As others have said, you can "brake-declutch-blip-change" to rev-match using your normal foot positions as a first step. I'm currently trying to master this - I think it's quite a good technique to learn because it encourages you to shift fast and scrub all your speed off in one clean press of the brake pedal.
 
ga41 said:
That's a good way to go. Sport button might make it easier at first but the on-off nature of the gas pedal with Sport mode makes it hard to drive the car quickly. Too twitchy. Best to practice until you can do it without sport mode.
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Actually, a good point here, as the throttle response is non-linear in the sport mode. :thumbsup: It sort of works on the si, but the ///M must be twitchy as hell. Anyway, I'll try the normal mode next time.
 
The sport mode is problematic - when you get used to rev matching in normal mode you will miss the right revs in sport, and vice versa.


TapaTalking
 
When I was taught to do it, I was always told you can never use too many revs. Better to over-rev then under so the tyres don't chirp and you bugger the clutch. Just sit on your driveway and practice on the pedals without moving so you get the correct procedure and feel of the pedal pressures. I am able to H&T in any car with any shoes, even flip flops! The best £200 you will spend and you will learn the correct technique from the best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBid8rJptSM

http://www.carlimits.com/ :thumbsup:
 
I was told to just practice in everyday driving with any car even a diesel. And guss what after many years not really understanding what heal and toe is let alone being able to do it propoerly, it has cliked. I'll now do a good heel'ntoe (should be called toe and heel tbh) 8/10 of which 5 or 6 are perfect. It is a lot of practice in every occasion though. Makes a big difference on track though but its troough that sometimes you over rev say 3 or 4 times out of 10.
 
Here's the master himself. Speaking of shoes, he's got a point wearing loafers.

[youtube]96ekbvjyr0g[/youtube]
 
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