Evergreen tyres
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No matter my driving style. The fact is the hankooks I have out performed the Michelin PS of the same period that cost nearly double what the hankook cost. It's rather simple maths. If it were the other way round. I'd have PS's on. But of course I suppose there is name recognition with the PS's. So I suppose that's worth a %46 premium with slightly less performance.
Have you been to Germany? The driving here (to include mine) is rather spirited. But yes I don't try to do burnouts or do any top gear drifting. I like going around corners in a fast and controlled manner.
Have you been to Germany? The driving here (to include mine) is rather spirited. But yes I don't try to do burnouts or do any top gear drifting. I like going around corners in a fast and controlled manner.
I understand the main difference with my Vreds to that of PSS is primarily wear rate. i'm not fussed about the price, but i dont like the idea of mixed/front rear so i'm only going to move to PSS when all 4 need changing (so that means one more set of Vreds on the rear).
Don't forget saskia - brand new tyres of any manufacturer are going to be an improvement over ones with little tread of another
It affects performance, handling, ride/comfort, noise etc... that's why they're so important.
Don't forget saskia - brand new tyres of any manufacturer are going to be an improvement over ones with little tread of another
It affects performance, handling, ride/comfort, noise etc... that's why they're so important.Do remember it takes around 300-500 miles to scrub a set of tyres in.
Brand new tyres still have release agent on the tyre surface to help separate it from the tyre mould. The release agent makes the car feel loose when cornering.
After tyres are scrubbed in, let the fun begin :evil:
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Brand new tyres still have release agent on the tyre surface to help separate it from the tyre mould. The release agent makes the car feel loose when cornering.
After tyres are scrubbed in, let the fun begin :evil:
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bigdog said:
bigdog said:
bigdog said:
I don't normally entertain retards on forums but you have surpassed most others in what you have written. The tyres I suggested are tyres that I have used on various cars over the last couple of years - real world experience. They are not expensive and if you think a couple of hundred pounds more over a set of regular tyres is a lot when spending £400 then you are in the wrong car. Tyres are the most important part of the car being the first contact to the road. The M maybe 'cheap' but wasn't so when new however it still has decent headline figures and performance. Your comparison of Ferrari, which I have owned and Mclaren, which I drive regularly is just a childish and just so you know both these cars had far superior tyres to the Yoko or F1 I suggested. The tyres I suggested are standard fit on the current M3 and Renaultsport cars so hardly super car equipped tyres.
I am not sure why you linked to a tyre test from 2009 (well i am sure but don't want to use that kind of language on here) I think you will find tyre technology has moved on quite significantly just look at the original contis fitted to the M3 and Z4 and how much more advanced tyres are now. That's not forgetting how biased (encentives/backhanders) car magazines and testers are... I would much rather go on experience but you seem blinded by your hankooks! That pretty much sums up everything as rubbish when you force that your hankooks are in the same league as Michelin :headbang:
If you just poodle around town with the car then vreds/toyo would suffice but for any kind of spirited driving or circuit driving in all conditions then IMO you need to look at higher level tyres.
So It's come down to name calling now. I'll not resort to that tactic. No matter how much one may disagree with another member. Name calling is beneath the high standards that make this forum a great place to discuss and even vigorously debate various subjects.
I linked to the test because it was a valid test at the time I bought my tires to replace the dreadful RFT's. It is the reason I choose the tyres I did. If the Hankooks had been double the cost of the Michelin. I would have bought the Michelin's instead. I would be saying the exact same thing I'm saying now. Just the names would be swapped. I also felt that it would be a good read for the OP to show that one need not spend top dollar to have a great tyre. As it was very obvious that the OP was out to save money. Just for you though. There is a newer (monsters of grip) test that has the PSS in first place at a cost of $177 while the Yoko advan AD08 placed first in dry but was rubbish in the wet. Hence it's third place over all. But cost $199. I would of course choose the PSS as it's a better overall tyre for the street than the advan and cheaper as well. Seems a win win to me. http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/monsters-of-grip-nine-summer-performance-tires-tested-comparison-test But! As tyre tests are rigged we need to choose tyres based on what then? I don't discount anyone's opinion on this forum. But I would like to have some numbers to make a comparison. And not all of us can afford to experiment with tyres.
I'm sorry that you didn't see the humor/sarcasm/irony in the comparisons with the cars. Apparently you didn't see the poke icon. That denotes a bit of sarcasm along with a bit of a challenge. Again. No harm was meant. I do agree that the Zed deserves far far better than Evergreen economy tryes. I just hope for the OP's sake. He is mindful of driving to the abilities (what ever that might be) of the Evergreens and not the cars.
I linked to the test because it was a valid test at the time I bought my tires to replace the dreadful RFT's. It is the reason I choose the tyres I did. If the Hankooks had been double the cost of the Michelin. I would have bought the Michelin's instead. I would be saying the exact same thing I'm saying now. Just the names would be swapped. I also felt that it would be a good read for the OP to show that one need not spend top dollar to have a great tyre. As it was very obvious that the OP was out to save money. Just for you though. There is a newer (monsters of grip) test that has the PSS in first place at a cost of $177 while the Yoko advan AD08 placed first in dry but was rubbish in the wet. Hence it's third place over all. But cost $199. I would of course choose the PSS as it's a better overall tyre for the street than the advan and cheaper as well. Seems a win win to me. http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/monsters-of-grip-nine-summer-performance-tires-tested-comparison-test But! As tyre tests are rigged we need to choose tyres based on what then? I don't discount anyone's opinion on this forum. But I would like to have some numbers to make a comparison. And not all of us can afford to experiment with tyres.
I'm sorry that you didn't see the humor/sarcasm/irony in the comparisons with the cars. Apparently you didn't see the poke icon. That denotes a bit of sarcasm along with a bit of a challenge. Again. No harm was meant. I do agree that the Zed deserves far far better than Evergreen economy tryes. I just hope for the OP's sake. He is mindful of driving to the abilities (what ever that might be) of the Evergreens and not the cars.
Simon_P said:
Simeon , the Cat has toyo triple 8's all round which are cheapo budget tyres ! They are wonderfully sticky but owners are warned about dangerous handling in the wet and cold ie snow that's why you have to get them from a specialit motorsport dealer. Z4mc's need triple 8's on really but they tend to wear quickly ! Don't be frightened of trying them !
Excellent read ....... really brightened up my day.
I generally dont get involved in tyre discussion because they quite often errrrrrr take off ...... :driving:
Got to say something here though ...... I have have spent a great deal of my life whizzing around in circles pointlessly at ridiculous speeds on racetracks all over europe, and one thing I learned really early on was that tyres are the most important part of your ride. It doesn't matter how fast your car is, or how good the brakes are, or how well the suspension works ..... if you cant put it on the tarmac then ..... errrr shite is shite.
If someone gave me a few hundred quid on the basis of ..... if anytime in the next 12 months, they wreck their car, I pay all the repair bills ...... I would have something to say if I found out that he crashed because his tyres were not same spec or similar to what the car manufacturer recomended, ........... so I wouldnt be surprised if an insurance company did the same.
which makes me wonder hahahahahaha, how long will it be before UK insurance companies rubbish claims made in winter conditions when cars are on normal (summer) tyres like they do in most other european countries ...... :rofl:
I generally dont get involved in tyre discussion because they quite often errrrrrr take off ...... :driving:
Got to say something here though ...... I have have spent a great deal of my life whizzing around in circles pointlessly at ridiculous speeds on racetracks all over europe, and one thing I learned really early on was that tyres are the most important part of your ride. It doesn't matter how fast your car is, or how good the brakes are, or how well the suspension works ..... if you cant put it on the tarmac then ..... errrr shite is shite.
If someone gave me a few hundred quid on the basis of ..... if anytime in the next 12 months, they wreck their car, I pay all the repair bills ...... I would have something to say if I found out that he crashed because his tyres were not same spec or similar to what the car manufacturer recomended, ........... so I wouldnt be surprised if an insurance company did the same.
which makes me wonder hahahahahaha, how long will it be before UK insurance companies rubbish claims made in winter conditions when cars are on normal (summer) tyres like they do in most other european countries ...... :rofl:
I love reading through these tyre arguments 
opcorn:
The only comment I would make is that softer compound tyres wear more quickly than a harder compound, Goodyears F1 are soft so they have excellent grip as seen in all the test reports issued, just don't be surprised if they only last a short while.
So if someone makes a comment that they're really good tyres and they last a really long time, I would question there objectiveness in putting them on a rear wheel drive sports car, regardless of make
opcorn: The only comment I would make is that softer compound tyres wear more quickly than a harder compound, Goodyears F1 are soft so they have excellent grip as seen in all the test reports issued, just don't be surprised if they only last a short while.
So if someone makes a comment that they're really good tyres and they last a really long time, I would question there objectiveness in putting them on a rear wheel drive sports car, regardless of make
I have Contis on the Zed.
So there.
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So there.
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sars said:I love reading through these tyre arguments
The only comment I would make is that softer compound tyres wear more quickly than a harder compound, Goodyears F1 are soft so they have excellent grip as seen in all the test reports issued, just don't be surprised if they only last a short while.
So if someone makes a comment that they're really good tyres and they last a really long time, I would question there objectiveness in putting them on a rear wheel drive sports car, regardless of make
Tyre arguments are great aren't they ?
Just to add to your comments ....... Tyre wear / grip / performance is linked directly to its optimum operating temperature,
Pushing a tyre for example, below /above it's optimum temp can result in cold tearing, which is errrrr wear, ......
On hot summer days for example, a soft tyre running a higher pressure, can and will last longer than a harder tyre running a standard pressure hahaha ......
Last weeks moto gp for example, every one was running super soft rears and hard fronts .....when you would expect the opposite .......
Just some tyre shite to make people think I know what Im talking about and impress the girls
sars said:
I've read quite a few comments on this forum stating the Michelin Pilot Super Sports are the best road tyres they've ever used with grip levels on track approaching that of bespoke trackday tyres AND with remarkable longevity. How does that fit in with the greater scheme of things?
exdos said:
Because its subjective and not quantified, this is the problem it's all about opinions, I am an engineer, I work with facts so give me your experimental data that proves your thesis and I will agree with you.
Here say is king on forums, but it doesn't mean s**t in science.....but hey let's not let provable facts get in the way of a good forum debate
sars said:Here say is king on forums, but it doesn't mean s**t in science.....but hey let's not let provable facts get in the way of a good forum debate
Facts will always destroy a good argument .... thats a proper scientific FACT
..... any way, its a well proven scientific fact that soft rear tyres on a Z4M coupled with sudden huge downward force on the acceleator pedal will result in massive air pollution and a childish grin, and in my world that is all that matters
sars said:
I know that, and that's why I was asking. Why your aggression?
sars said:Here say is king on forums, but it doesn't mean s**t in science.....but hey let's not let provable facts get in the way of a good forum debate
So how do we, as consumers, find those hard facts about tyre performance so that we can make an informed choice? Without such science and provable facts, consumers can only fall for all the hype and marketing by the so-called "premium" tyre manufacturers, who spend huge amounts promoting their stuff, so that they can charge top price for goods which are how much better than the lesser known brands?????