EU referendum

Poll Poll In or Out ?

  • Would you prefer UK to remain in EU?

    Votes: 22 24.4%
  • Would you prefer UK to leave the EU?

    Votes: 45 50.0%
  • Still on the fence, need more convincing one way or the other.

    Votes: 23 25.6%

  • Total voters
    90
  • Poll closed .
El Pollo Diablo said:
Mr Tidy said:
Good post El Pollo Diablo, and fair play to you for finding somewhere you want to live your life!

Whatever the outcome of the referendum I hope you (am sure you will) get to stay where you want to be! :thumbup:

Thanks Mr Tidy. :thumbsup: I really appreciate your well wishes.

There are (at last estimates) around four million or so EU migrants living in Britain; assuming you are using your Spanish nationality rather that Turkish? IIRC there is precedence if you are resident for 5 years plus, otherwise it's all down to visa status, and the support of the sponsoring company as the residence permissions will be reviewed on an exit decision.

Of course, the same applies for the over 2 million UK nationals living in the EU. I think it will be a number of years until the EU residency rules are repealed/revised as there would be too much impact to all parties.

On another note - why is being called "Brexit". Is NI not included in this decision?
 
Taz said:
is it my imagination or is the media trying to convince us we need to stay in?

Seems to be. It's all doom and gloom and telling us that majority of businesses want us to stay and how it will be a disaster when actually it's not as high as they've made out.

Complete scaremongering

On the other hand the price of shares is taking a dive, crap if you are due to retire or use them to sell for income but great for people like me who are out to buy.
 
Angie4m said:
Seems to be. It's all doom and gloom and telling us that majority of businesses want us to stay and how it will be a disaster when actually it's not as high as they've made out.

Complete scaremongering

my exact thoughts, they seem to emphasise the positives for staying in
 
Not sure why every argument to stay in is badged as 'scaremongering'.

I agree re shares taking a battering. Also look at currency. This is just the start of alignment based on what the markets think of 'out'

Today at the airport I was offered 1.02 rate...lol
6 months ago that was 30% higher...
 
cj10jeeper said:
Not sure why every argument to stay in is badged as 'scaremongering'.

I agree re shares taking a battering. Also look at currency. This is just the start of alignment based on what the markets think of 'out'

Today at the airport I was offered 1.02 rate...lol
6 months ago that was 30% higher...
Once Trump get's in you be able to get buckets of dollars for the £ (or the Euro) :evil:
 
ffs don't start with Donald Trump I this debate lol

all I have to say is god help us if he gets into power - fruit cake, complete
 
Taz said:
ffs don't start with Donald Trump I this debate lol

all I have to say god help us if he gets into power - fruit cake, complete
I was trying to explain the implications of Trump getting in to power to a teenager.

In the end I had to stop as I was starting to worry myself too much !
 
chrissrush said:
Taz said:
is it my imagination or is the media trying to convince us we need to stay in?

Ask the BBC how much money they take from europe.

or google "bbc european payments"


Unbiased reporting?

Absolutely - if you want to know what's really going on in the world don't look to the BBC for information. And I'm not just referring to the EU debate.
 
How can any of us make a proper decision when facts are dished out on a second hand basis !
Do we believe everything we are told?
 
ronk said:
How can any of us make a proper decision when facts are dished out on a second hand basis !
Do we believe everything we are told?

The old adage "there are two sides to every story and the truth is usually somewhere in between" springs to mind!
 
MACK said:
ronk said:
How can any of us make a proper decision when facts are dished out on a second hand basis !
Do we believe everything we are told?

The old adage "there are two sides to every story and the truth is usually somewhere in between" springs to mind!

More likely is that the 'Truth' is neither one side of the story, nor the other side, nor anything in between :P
 
Jasey said:
Taz said:
ffs don't start with Donald Trump I this debate lol

all I have to say god help us if he gets into power - fruit cake, complete
I was trying to explain the implications of Trump getting in to power to a teenager.

In the end I had to stop as I was starting to worry myself too much !

Long time since I've been called a teenager...

Forget Trump - nothing to do with this issue and he won't get into power, even with Americans voting.
 
My point on "Brexit" is that it is so common for the other countries to be excluded in this, even if it wasn't intentional. Usually typical of the English media (or US, but they have an excuse....). There are so many opinions and impacts being touted around at the moment, all of which are very focuses on impacts to the individual or organisation. So 1/3 of FTSE 100 companies state an exit is going to be bad? So 2/3 either don't know, or don't think it will. I'm more concerned about the numbers who don't know or don't have an opinion. So some retired officers think leaving is bad for security? And others think it's not affected? Great way to establish the facts. All that seems to come out at the moment is "no-one knows". It's either stick with what you have, or take a step into the unknown.

There does not seem to be many hard facts out around about this - the media plays to people's concerns about security and jobs with platitudes. Government supports it's own agenda. It seems that all the information is provided by either camp, but there is no neutral providing the information needed. In the end, everyone will vote based on what they discern is their personal, most beneficial, option.

Oh, and interesting point on the BBC. I once spoke to Michael Moore a few years back, and we were discussing the lack of a truly free press - his comment was that the BBC was the closest organisation to impartiality he knew. ...
 
E-P-D said:
Thanks for your input. I am already planning to apply for UK naturalisation. My heart lies in here. But it hasn't been 5 years for me yet. There is still one more year to go. And after that there is a two year process if I remember correctly. I also have to pass the "Life in UK Test" as well. Boy am I looking forward to that one :). The bottom line is I will pursue my aim one way or another. But the level of unknown is a bit annoying and worrying.

Good luck with the applications!

I have lived and worked throughout Europe, as well as the US, Japan and currently Turkey (working and living in Levent area of Istanbul). Visas and residency permits are pretty straight forward once you get a company to sponsor you, plus also, in your case, it'll take a few years to sort out the mess that an EU exit will cause to the legal status of immigrants and migrants. By that time, you'll have the 5 years completed. I also read that some legal companies are now advising all their EU and non-EU clients to apply for UK citizenship in case an exit is chosen - but that's probably just trying to increase their revenues on the basis of a little scaremongering !
 
markeg said:
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Oh, and interesting point on the BBC. I once spoke to Michael Moore a few years back, and we were discussing the lack of a truly free press - his comment was that the BBC was the closest organisation to impartiality he knew. ...

Talk about name dropping :wink:
He may be right; compared to most American 'News' stations the BBC is a beacon of light in a sea of darkness :D
 
cj10jeeper said:
Not sure why every argument to stay in is badged as 'scaremongering'.

Not all arguments are but when the 'facts' are falsified in order to make a great headline it is nothing but scaremongering. And to be honest it does nothing for the cause what so ever.

But that's journalists for you.
 
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