Caught speeding - 102mph in a 70

[Grumpyowl]

Only going on experience from what happened to a mate of mine going an awful lot faster than you.

Despite pleading he needed his license to run his one man business he got a month ban and hefty fine
That meant he still had a clean license as you can't or couldn't unless things have changed get a ban and points.

My guess is unless your a serial offender you may get 4/6 weeks ban I'm sure you could sort out holiday time owed and stand the rest in unpaid leave if you're a good employee.
Or maybe as my mate did paid cash in hand to a guy to run him around.

 

[chrissrush]

101 Mph on an empty motorway in perfect visibility. £450, costs + 14 day ban back in 1997.

Apparently they can't give points and a ban it's either or. The "suspension" as I called it seemed to have less impact than I expected on insurance.

2 memories linger: Standing in the dock making out post dated cheques for the fine, and, having had it explained to me (as if I was a child) that I'd been banned from driving and therefore I couldn't drive home, when I then asked when I could legally drive again ( i.e is today 1 of 14 or is tomorrow) they couldn't answer the question.
Conferred amongst themselves and told me to phone Swansea to ask the DVLA!! I didn't bother.

Played safe and didn't drive for the extra day to be sure, which only cost a couple of extra pints getting a lift to/from work from a mate!

 

[Stratts]

Bad luck dude, hope it works out...

The issue is, there are guidelines that allow the magistrate to pass down anything he wants and so all of these previous examples are kind of irrelevant. Yes you could get a ban, you could get a fine, you could get points. You most likely will get at least two of these.

I doubt the copper will forget to put the fine in, so get prepared now.

 

[Number5]

I would go down the Guilty but sorry route your Honour...

My Job depends on it, and ultimately my wife and kids. Very sorry sir, I'm willing to take the points, a hefty fine and an advanced driving course sir. I Also accept that my insurance will rocket for being so silly judge...

I was also on my way to ....... And my thoughts were on getting there ASAP die the urgency of the situation..

Good luck.

 

[jimmybell]

Bad luck, everyone does it - sadly for some they get caught. Best of luck.

For what it's worth, i work on the understanding recently they'd tightened up on people over 100mph. It also varies heavily depending on where it was (which county), whether it was a police car/van (and how you were driving - if its just high speed in outside lane or whether you're being a dick), or a fixed/avg camera etc. also i think court penalty can be affected by previous, or there lack of. http://www.ukmotorists.com/speeding%20fines2.asp for some recent examples of penalty. It looks like it's possible to do just over 100 and get 3-6points + fine, but also examples of just above that and a short ban (one guy got a 28 day ban, i think that's due to his 100mph undertaking.. another recently strong enforced rule).

Back in the day sitting at 110 wasn't a huge problem, these days i drive with my speed limit warning set to 96 and rarely go over it unless traffic is doing so, or the road is clearly safe/empty/no chance of tickets.

 

[mmm-five]

Below courtesy of this website.

If you are caught speeding then you will be offered a place on a speed awareness course, a fixed penalty (£100 and 3 points), or otherwise you will receive a summons / requisition to a court hearing. There are eligibility conditions attached to the course and fixed penalty offers.

If the relevant police force area has adopted the ACPO guidelines then this is the appropriate chart to assess whether your speed is within a range for diversion from court proceedings:



If your case proceeds to court then the following chart is used to determine the appropriate penalty point endorsement or disqualification period, and fine.



FINE - RELEVANT WEEKLY INCOME
Where an offender is in receipt of income from employment or is self-employed and that income is more than £110 per week after tax and national insurance contributions then his actual income is his relevant weekly income.

 

[alane29]

Go to court and plead your case ,you have 5 hungry mouths to feed and a pregnant missus at home etc etc ,if i its your 1st offense you will keep your license

 

[Jasey]

I got pulled doing 140 on the A4 in an Audi Quattro UR.

The police just wanted a look at the car and told me to drive more carefully.

circa 1985.

You can't beat the good old days

 

[jimmybell]

interesting mmm-five - that must be where i came to my 96mph limiter

 

[TrickyTris]

Both the same % over BUT and I don't know the road you were driving on - 43 in a 30 is pretty silly...

Yeah, I wouldn't deny that it was stupid to be doing that speed but it is very easily done when everyone else around you is doing the same & the road conditions allow for a much higher speed. I was just the unlucky one that the police officer decided to pick out of a crowd of people - they prefer getting new young drivers off the road over more experienced drivers .. It's easy pickings for their targets!

As others have said, we've all done it at some point. We all take the risk knowing fully well what could happen if we're caught & I think people need to stop pretending they drive like saints all the time - I can't actually remember the last time i was stuck behind someone doing the speed limit! :lol:

 

[David-H]

A friend of mine got clocked on the M6 some time ago doing ~105 mph and was summoned to appear in Garstang Magistrates Court. He got a lawyer who had 'local knowledge' who advised that the Court was known to have little tolerance and a ban was likely for anyone doing more than 30mph over the prevailing speed limit. However, the lawyer noted that my friend was due to move his family the following month and that he had a clean licence which was important.

The lawyer then, crucially, arranged with the Clerk of the Garstang Court to be the first case of the day as he said that once one person received a ban from the Court on their '30mph over' rule of thumb, that everyone else was certain to be given a ban for a similar offence.

On the day the lawyer pleaded guilty with mitigating circumstances - family moving, clean licence, good record and, additionally, that the driver was driving a Jaguar for the first time and the smoothness / quietness had caught him out as it felt as though he was going much slower than he actually was and was truly sorry.

Anyway, it worked and he was only given 3 points and a small fine! So, moral of the story, try and get a solicitor who actually knows how the Court you're going to works and get him to represent you and to bring in all the good points reading family, job, driving record and, if appropriate, the type of cars that you have previously driven if they were significantly smaller / lower powered.

Good luck!

 

[ben g]

I must be old fashioned...the OP was caught speeding,which he has admitted to and IMO should just accept what the court dishes out and move on.
This hiring a lawyer to try and get you off is a no-no in my book. :thumbsdown:

And PGardner, I do feel your pain. I've been caught speeding twice in the past year.....SAC first time and a £100 fine and 3 points for the 2nd.

And please, I'm not preaching to you just offering a different opinion and hope you don't come out of this too badly. Good luck.

Not old fashioned just not thinking straight would be more appropriate. He has admitted it but by not being represented properly could end him with a far worse out come. Not being prepared, bumbling, the court not liking his beard/haircut, etc etc

Nothing wrong with my thinking...just offering another opinion which is what I think the OP was looking for.

As I said before OP, good luck and hope you don't come out of this too badly.

I wasn't aware he asked for your opinion on the matter.

He asked 2 very clear questions. He didn't ask whether you think he's morally right or wrong.

 

[RoyE]

I was caught at this same speed. I pleaded guilty in court and explained the need for my licence for my job. Result was 6 points and £650. As I already had 3 points, my driving style had to change for the next two years. It has since changed permantly which is no bad thing.

 

[AndyBeech]

[]I must be old fashioned...the OP was caught speeding,which he has admitted to and IMO should just accept what the court dishes out and move on.
This hiring a lawyer to try and get you off is a no-no in my book. :thumbsdown:

And PGardner, I do feel your pain. I've been caught speeding twice in the past year.....SAC first time and a £100 fine and 3 points for the 2nd.

And please, I'm not preaching to you just offering a different opinion and hope you don't come out of this too badly. Good luck. [/quote

I wasn't aware he asked for your opinion on the matter.

He asked 2 very clear questions. He didn't ask whether you think he's morally right or wrong.

[/quote]

Lol, I've never been on any car forum anywhere that when the speeding topic crops up it ends in the soapbox brigade chipping in, it's a rule of the internet! The only time any 'high horsing' should apply, is if the OP thinks they've been wronged and caught out unfairly, which isn't the case here, OP admitted his mistake, fair do's.

Anyway

1) No chance, I think what your asking is will he use his 'discretion' because you were friendly. Discretion is great up to a point, 85 in a 70 for example, roadside education (or discretion) might apply. In this case, you've taken the mick (without being harsh) so discretion doesn't apply, regardless of how remorseful you were. The only case of where you might get away with it is if he genuinely forgets to process the paperwork, very very unlikely these days.

2) The cost is however much your willing to plough into a lawyer of varying abilities to try and reduce the penalty. A lot of people represent themselves, sometimes it's better coming from the offender than a lawyer if you've got a genuine 'sob' story, you could probably tell it better than a lawyer, after all your not arguing 'legal' points here, it's a cut and shut case, all your trying to do is portray to the judge that your a decent chap with no previous and you made a mistake. Don't lie about your situation though, pregnant wife if you haven't etc. Judge will see right through it. Just be honest, and resentful and hope the judge is a good mood.
However, a lot of people really shouldn't represent themselves, come across smarmy and cocky and they don't even know it! In which case, get a good lawyer to defend you :wink:
Good luck!

 

[jimmybell]

In this case, you've taken the mick (without being harsh) so discretion doesn't apply

Is 100mph really taking the mick? I mean.. yes the law says 70, but it's not enforced as such, and is widely understood that 80+ is perfectly fine on the motorways, and regularly you find traffic moving at 90-100mph on major roads with no issues, and police generally not caring. Also the law is out of date yadda yadda safety rules braking distances improved yadda yadda

 

[DumfriesDik]

I got caught for doing 102.8 and it went to court, I got 5 points and £360 fine.
This was a while ago and I had a clean licence so don't know how this will compare.

Pretty much the same here as well. I recall giving some mitigating circumstances and how a ban would have a greater impact on others in my life.

I didn't have a solicitor.

At the very least, learn from it.

 

[jimbo1958]

I wasn't aware he asked for your opinion on the matter.

He asked 2 very clear questions. He didn't ask whether you think he's morally right or wrong.

And I didn't ask for your opinion but you're more than happy to dig me out.

You're correct though Ben that the OP didn't ask for opinions and I apologise to him if I came across as insensitive as that wasn't my intention.

I've been on forums long enough though to know that if you don't want an opinion, then don't post.
Take a look at some of poor ol JE's posts where all and sundry chip in, but that's just the nature of forums.

Looks like I'm in the minority with my opinion reading the other posts but hey...its just an opinion (in this case one not asked for)

Cheers

Jim

 

[ben g]

I do understand, but i've seen it so many times on car forums (as someone else said above) where people preach the moral righteousness.

We've all sped to some extent. Anyone who says otherwise is either a liar or very well restrained :lol:

 

[SeanConnor]

Maybe a topic for another thread but .... Who in their heart of hearts can claim that they have NEVER exceeded 100 MPH while say overtaking on a motorway? Traffic moving at 65 MPH , boot it to overtake , look down at the speedo and s**t ! No excuse but in a performance car it's sometimes difficult not to.

 

[DumfriesDik]

Maybe a topic for another thread but .... Who in their heart of hearts can claim that they have NEVER exceeded 100 MPH while say overtaking on a motorway? Traffic moving at 65 MPH , boot it to overtake , look down at the speedo and s**t ! No excuse but in a performance car it's sometimes difficult not to.

I wouldn't say that to the judge! :rofl: