Australia v Djokovic - Australia wins...

Pondrew said:
From a Government POV there is no 'too many', as long as the NHS can cope with them IMO.

Omicron is causing real problems for the NHS due to it's transmissability. My wife is a nurse on a cardiac ward and whilst normally quite free of covid they had a patient in last week who had coronavirus and consequently passed it on to all of the nurses who are now all on sick leave and that is where the real problem lies.

Wifey had covid a couple of years ago and was asymptomatic but this time she is quite ill with it
 
MikeyH said:
There have always been countries where if you wanted to visit you would need one or more jabs to do so. Can’t see a difference, have the jab and visit, don’t have the jab don’t visit. This anti vax stuff is more about politics than personal choice imho.

Don't need to look too hard for examples. I don't know a single African country that does not require yellow fever vaccination, as do most of the countries in S. America. And then you get a whole bunch of other requirements.
I can't tell how many times I have been asked for my YF card. And if I had said "that is personal information" most border controls can explain to you, in great detail, what "personal" means to them. As in "let's get personal in the little room back there...".
 
ponchi101 said:
As in "let's get personal in the little room back there..."

I know what you’re saying, but that’s a really bizarre way of finding out if someone’s had their yellow fever jab?!
 
sp3ctre said:
ponchi101 said:
As in "let's get personal in the little room back there..."

I know what you’re saying, but that’s a really bizarre way of finding out if someone’s had their yellow fever jab?!


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pvr said:
I don’t know sars, but we accept it for other areas in society. We accept that when building a large development there will be x deaths on average. The same for travel, each form will be associated with a number of deaths but we have struck a balance for those. Perhaps we should do the same for this like we do for normal flu
It springs to mind that famous quote, though not the exact wording, attributed to Joseph Stalin “A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic”
 
mmm-five said:
Here are some academic papers on the subject...
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261295v1
https://spiral.imperial.ac.uk/handle/10044/1/90800

Thanks for these Tony they were quite an interesting read, the first one was a bit shallow but the 2nd one was good :thumbsup:



rdgreen said:
Djokovic takes a rapid antigen test -- which is negative -- and also takes an official and approved PCR test "out of an abundance of caution," according to Djokovic's statement.Djokovic's PCR test result comes back positive later that day, according to a copy of his test result in his affidavit, but his January 12 statement says he did not receive the notification of a positive PCR test result until after a tennis event on December 17. Later, he is photographed at two events, according to images posted on his foundation's official social media, and none of the participants are masked.

To be clear he claimed he didn't receive the results until the following day, apparently the test result come back at 2000hrs, so its not clear cut that he was lying.

rdgreen said:
December 18
Djokovic is at his tennis center in Belgrade to fulfill a L'Equipe interview and photoshoot. His statement says he socially distanced and wore a mask except when his photograph was being taken.
Journalist Franck Ramella and photographer Etienne Garnier were not told Djokovic was Covid-positive before, during or after the interview with the tennis star in Belgrade, the French sports newspaper reported on January 12. Djokovic admits to "an error of judgment" in attending.

100% wrong, he should not have attended this and should have isolated.

rdgreen said:
December 30
Djokovic receives a medical exemption from Tennis Australia allowing him to enter Australia without Covid vaccination or quarantine on the grounds that he has just recovered from Covid, according to court documents.
Before the year ends, video and images appear to show Djokovic in Spain and Serbia in the two-week period before traveling to Australia. Djokovic had ticked 'No' on a travel declaration when asked if he had traveled in the 14 days prior to his arrival into Australia, according to court documents obtained by CNN.

"Appear" to show is quite the important qualification there. As far as I'm aware its completely unverified.
He also claimed that it wasn't him that incorrectly completed the form but frankly that doesn't fly, doesn't matter who you are when it comes to VISA's and official paper work you're the one responsible for the accuracy of those documents.

rdgreen said:
January 1
Djokovic's team submits his travel declaration to the Australian Ministry of Home Affairs, which notifies them that it has been assessed and he is cleared for quarantine-free arrival, according to the affidavit.
January 2
Djokovic receives a Border Travel Permit by the state government of Victoria, according to his affidavit, where Melbourne is located and where the Australian Open will take place.

This is where Aus regime have to answer some questions, they have failed to act consistently which resulted in him travelling under false pretence to Aus.

rdgreen said:
January 14
Australia's immigration minister revokes Djokovic's visa ahead of the Australian Open, saying "it was in the public interest to do so."

This is what should have happened immediately upon his VISA being given, rather than pissing about and waiting for him to arrive to do it. It wasnt a secret, he was gloating about it on social media. But instead they left it and waited till he arrived and then created this whole circus to show just how tough and pro vax the regime is. Its a scandal.

rdgreen said:
Australia has the most stringent border controls of just about any country on earth, and people are removed from here on a daily basis for breaches of their visa, but the only one to make the headlines is a self entitled, privileged, overpaid, pampered tennis player.
That would appear to be "game, set and match.....but in a land of tyranny (where he has employed the most expensive lawyers available and been able to readily access the justice system) who knows?

While I agree, its not like he could have arrived and been deported quietly being the #1 at the massive sporting event, so to use it to attack him and in some way insinuate that he was the one wanting the circus or using his position is highly disingenuous.

Germany had courts under moustache man and the soviets had them as well, sure Mao and Mussolini had them too...

Glad the whole thing is over, suspect Novak is glad he didnt end up in one of the Aus COVID concentration camps :thumbsup:
At this stage any sporting events in Aus should really reconsider their commencement as they cant guarantee the liberty and safety of the participants.
 
sars said:
Americas gun laws are the greatest example of personal freedom, nothing says more than being able to defend one’s personal view than at the end of a semi-automatic rifle even at the expense of every other adult and child alike.

At the beginning of the pandemic we were all scared, most of us had never lived with this type of omnipresent fear and we turned to our leaders happy for them to limit our rights as long as we felt secure. Two years on and are we now, as a society, beginning to feel that the deaths are acceptable as long as our liberty isn’t restricted further. How many deaths are too many?

This is the crux of the matter, 2 years ago I was arguing that a serious grown up conversation around acceptable losses needed to take place and yet today there are many places are still cowering in absolute terror of what is now effectively the sniffles. Although its difficult to pin down numbers I wouldn't be surprised if Omicron has a similar if not lower death rate to the flu and we just lived with that :idunno:

I mean as of the end of December I think Omicron killed 12 people. Flu and Pneumonia kill about 30k a year the vast majority of which are the over 65s.
 
Add to that, BBC quoted (I know) 21000 deaths per day world wide due to poverty introduced by the COVID measures. You have to balance both sides as by cutting off the food supply to third world countries, you effectively killing people there.
 
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