Australia v Djokovic - Australia wins...
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By the seaside...
Everyone should have the right not to get vaccinated and every Government has the right to set policy, whether one agrees with it or not. Novax's did not sufficiently prove that his exemption against vaccination was legitimate and thus the immigration minister had no choice but to intervene.
However, I think we are getting to a point where the unvaccinated are not consequential to the overall effectiveness in combating newer strains of COVID-19
However, I think we are getting to a point where the unvaccinated are not consequential to the overall effectiveness in combating newer strains of COVID-19
sars said:
I think this is a bit like the issue with the Boris Parties... makes no difference to the safety of the Nation, it's just a matter of principal. Not sure that stating you have had Covid is really a cause for exemption though, as it's difficult to prove. By the looks of it he just made it up for the purpose of getting the exemption anyway.
Bit of a shame if he doesn't get in, I was looking forward to the Aussie fans ripping him a new one!
At the summit of the picturesque fens
that would be sweet. and then, he'd permanently have on his record that he had to forfeit a match against a no-seed player in the first round.
but yeah, if somehow he does make it to the court for the first match, after having his visa revoked twice, theres gonna be a riot.
but yeah, if somehow he does make it to the court for the first match, after having his visa revoked twice, theres gonna be a riot.
sars said:
Hold up, wait a minute. Did he or did he not have an officially provided exemption?
Yes he did. So lets not start this off by telling lies and misrepresenting reality.
This whole thing is an absolute farce and does no favours at all for OZ in terms of refuting the apparent authoritarian state that it has descended into.
My personal opinion is that he should never have been granted access and that when it was granted the Gov should have immediately revoked it rather than waiting till he was on the bloody flight there, thats an absolutely outrageous thing to do and I am sure its very legally dubious as well (hence why it was tossed out by a Judge). The ITF should have cancelled the Australian open due to concerns around the liberty of its players.
Thats how this should have gone, instead we have an authoritarian state telling a person to come on in then cancelling that invitation at the point he has already left, they then arrest and detain that person when they land in the country that they were told they were fine to go to. This is then appealed and is ruled as wrong/unjust/illegal by a Judge in a court of law, the person is then freed and the Government then steps in to again to impose its will upon him. If you are being honest, if this had happened in say Russia for example, there would be an international outrage.
The discourse around this is more concerning for me however, this "othering" of people who aren't vaccinated, the glee and delight of people who now see the unvaccinated as "others" in that way when they are treated unfairly by governments is deeply disturbing and anyone with an ounce of historical knowledge will know exactly why.
Yes he did have an exemption but it appears that the exemption wasn't valid. The information that has come out over the past week seems to indicate that events were fabricated to provide a flimsy excuse for an exemption - so it appears that it's Novax that started this off 'by telling lies and misrepresenting reality'.Flyingfifer said:
This seems to be a good example of someone wanting their cake and eating it too
Noxax didn't/doesn't want to be vaccinated - no problem with that it's his choice - but that means he can't visit Australia
Novax wants to play in the Australian open but no vaccine = no entry
Novax lies to try to get a medical exemption - forms are anonymised so he thinks he's got away with it
Novax boasts about medical exemption on social media
Australian Border Control become aware and investigate when he lands
Visa should have been cancelled at that point but for a 'procedural error'
Novax only has himself to blame for this circus, if he'd just accepted that his vaccine refusal meant that he couldn't enter Australia rather than trying to game the system none of this would be happening.
Nope...sp3ctre said:
For the Australian Government, there's definitely a principal that they're attempting to uphold. They don't want to let unvaccinated people into Australia and there's a very wealthy, high-profile, sportsman trying to manipulate the system using rules that were intended to apply to people that genuinely can't be vaccinated.
I hope they succeed, if only to show that, while you're free to make a choice, that choice may have consequences - even if you're rich & famous.
PerryGunn said:
Well unfortunately for this narrative you're wrong again, during the hearing earlier that was live streamed, the statement from the minister to the court was read out in court before the Judge, in that statement the minister confirmed that no incorrect information was given and that he did in fact have a valid medical reason under the rules. So no, he done everything expected of him and appears to have made a concerted effort to comply with the rules as they are presented. Unfortunately however he has fallen victim to political posturing.
There are various medical exemptions that other players have been allowed entry to Aus with so to say the no vax = no entry is patently false
No lies have been told according to the Minister's statement to the court.
The amount of blinkers being worn around this by people here is fuckin mind boggling to me, the tribalism is absolutely disgusting and the glee and delight that some are demonstrating shows an ignorance of historical lessons we should never have forgotten.
I dont give two fucks about tennis or Novak, my issue is the tyranny and authoritarianism of the Aus government.
"At least THREE other players" have been allowed access to Aus using the same process and vaccine exemption as Novak. If you think this is about saving lives and vaccine I have a bridge to sell you.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/novak-djokovic-vaccine-exemption-australia-b1988536.html
It appears two of those have of their own accord chosen to leave Aus
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-14/two-more-tennis-players-depart-australia/100756828
This is political pure and simple. He is being used as a pawn by the Aus government who are (quite rightly) under huge pressure from the population.
This isnt Novak's fault its wholly and solely the fault of the Aus regime.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/novak-djokovic-vaccine-exemption-australia-b1988536.html
It appears two of those have of their own accord chosen to leave Aus
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-14/two-more-tennis-players-depart-australia/100756828
This is political pure and simple. He is being used as a pawn by the Aus government who are (quite rightly) under huge pressure from the population.
This isnt Novak's fault its wholly and solely the fault of the Aus regime.