Area under the graph comparing real world performance of engines
Smartbear said:
For you maybe but not for everyone.
Maria1 said:
I have experienced that a good few times! but now I have learnt from the locals and try and take others out especially those pesky flies on their mopeds!
It cant even remember the last car i had with a 4 cylinder engine,i did have a 718 on courtesy and that sounded awful but went well enough if you like the whoosh,fart,chirp...pop pop pop......
Turbo 4's were great when in a Lancia,Subaru or Mitsubishi...... But that was a long time ago,and 400 bhp was achievable in a factory car about 20 years ago so no new ground is being broken here.
BMW's have long had a history of straight 6's fitted.... and in the only "sports car" they make it should still be.
Turbo 4's were great when in a Lancia,Subaru or Mitsubishi...... But that was a long time ago,and 400 bhp was achievable in a factory car about 20 years ago so no new ground is being broken here.
BMW's have long had a history of straight 6's fitted.... and in the only "sports car" they make it should still be.
Z4M-2006 said:
Agree! I still think BMW's hand was forced into putting the 4 pot turbo into the Z4 to appease the regulators. They would never have done it had it not been for that. Nothing wrong with the N20 but in an open top 2 seater? the same way I don't get why anyone would buy a convertible with a Diesel engine! Good job BMW didn't stick one of those in the Z4 otherwise there would be another thread on that!
Pbondar said:brillomaster said:
One of the many reasons why I’d never have a Porkster...unless you have a 19 pot ceramic/carbon penis enhancer you’d not cut it..
Year ago when I had a porker I went to an official owners club event held at a local dealership. Never again what a bunch of w@nkers they were! Completely up their own arses! :thumbsdown:
Silverstar said:Z4M-2006 said:
Agree! I still think BMW's hand was forced into putting the 4 pot turbo into the Z4 to appease the regulators. They would never have done it had it not been for that. Nothing wrong with the N20 but in an open top 2 seater? the same way I don't get why anyone would buy a convertible with a Diesel engine! Good job BMW didn't stick one of those in the Z4 otherwise there would be another thread on that!
Why do you think your car has electric steering/electric water pump/catalyst exhaust system? It’s all to appease the regulators, it’s the way of the world & never going to change.
Rob
Smartbear said:
All true together with petrol particulate filters etc. A lot of these thing suck the enjoyment out of cars which is just going to get worse with time!
Smartbear said:Silverstar said:Z4M-2006 said:
Agree! I still think BMW's hand was forced into putting the 4 pot turbo into the Z4 to appease the regulators. They would never have done it had it not been for that. Nothing wrong with the N20 but in an open top 2 seater? the same way I don't get why anyone would buy a convertible with a Diesel engine! Good job BMW didn't stick one of those in the Z4 otherwise there would be another thread on that!
Why do you think your car has electric steering/electric water pump/catalyst exhaust system? It’s all to appease the regulators, it’s the way of the world & never going to change.
Rob
You forgot the infernal Stop Start system!
(Fortunately not on the 35is)
ronk said:Smartbear said:Silverstar said:Agree! I still think BMW's hand was forced into putting the 4 pot turbo into the Z4 to appease the regulators. They would never have done it had it not been for that. Nothing wrong with the N20 but in an open top 2 seater? the same way I don't get why anyone would buy a convertible with a Diesel engine! Good job BMW didn't stick one of those in the Z4 otherwise there would be another thread on that!
Why do you think your car has electric steering/electric water pump/catalyst exhaust system? It’s all to appease the regulators, it’s the way of the world & never going to change.
Rob
You forgot the infernal Stop Start system!
(Fortunately not on the 35is)
That’s not so much of an issue Ron, Carly can code it out so it’s not active
Rob
Smartbear said:ronk said:
That’s not so much of an issue Ron, Carly can code it out so it’s not active
Rob
Nevertheless, it’s still an imbuggerance! I don’t think it’s a very good idea on any turbo engined car :thumbsdown:
I tend to forget to turn it off on the 335 and if Carly can switch it off then that’s the route I will go when I find someone with Carly.
Honestly I think folks are getting a bit starry eyed about the 6 cylinder here. Yes it sounds better undoubtedly and it's a tiny bit smoother. But if you gave me the choice of fitting the 3.0l engine out of my E85 in the E89 or keeping the N20 it's got with its new found extra grunt. Well the extra grunt wins hands down everytime and as for the noise, well that's what the stereo's for! :
I guess it boils down to what's important to you. For me having a manual box in a sports car (dying breed I know) is far more of a consideration than if the engine is 4 or 6 cylinder and I would probably always favour the engine that's got a lot more grunt. For me any car with pretensions of being a sports car immediately feels more of a GT car with an auto box. That's why the only other E89 I would consider is a 35i Manual.
It's been 10 years since I drove a 6 cylinder E89 but I wouldn't mind driving two equally specced i4 and i6 cars back to back. Not to gauge the straight line performance, but to see if there really is that much difference in the handling stakes from the weight saving over the front axle.
I guess it boils down to what's important to you. For me having a manual box in a sports car (dying breed I know) is far more of a consideration than if the engine is 4 or 6 cylinder and I would probably always favour the engine that's got a lot more grunt. For me any car with pretensions of being a sports car immediately feels more of a GT car with an auto box. That's why the only other E89 I would consider is a 35i Manual.
It's been 10 years since I drove a 6 cylinder E89 but I wouldn't mind driving two equally specced i4 and i6 cars back to back. Not to gauge the straight line performance, but to see if there really is that much difference in the handling stakes from the weight saving over the front axle.
MACK said:
I guess we can keep going around and around on this but if it's extra grunt you are after, that is what the 35i is there for. At the end of the day as has been said many times, there is a choice of engine for all of us since we all want different things but I guess this topic will be never ending.
Smartbear said:
And yet it is mentioned by many members on this thread!
Does completely miss the point of the thread