Advice!

Geezah said:
Don't be put off by the 2.0 i it is an absolutely capable engine as many people here who have owned one will tell you, it is no slouch. I was looking for a 3 litre but then saw my current 2.0 which ticked every box and had every extra, not disappointing at all. Drive them both to see if it's right for you.

The fact he is young and has points and given his tight budget I would say 2.0 as well.

However the 3.0 is the one to own, the best pick of the engines in the pre facelift models.
 
Start with a 2.0 and keep your licence clean so the points drop off, and after a few years insurance premium may drop a little and then if you've caught the Zed bug trade up for a 3.0 :driving:
 
pHilli0 said:
Fair enough. Get the car with the best history you can find for what you can afford. Have you considered S2000s or RX-8s? Not sure how they compare insurance wise. I know RX-8s are lots to fuel but are super cheap to buy.

RX8 is meant to have horrendous running costs, apparently anyway. I did look at them.

I have also owned and driven both a 2.0i and a 3.0si.

The 2.0i has a much smaller engine and you can really throw it into the corners as a result, more than the 3.0 and M cars. However you can still be beaten at the traffic lights by joe bloggs in most hot hatches and being my age I can no doubt imagine that will matter!

I can't comment on the 2.5/3.0 though as the 3.0si is slightly different again. More power though!
 
Disca said:
pHilli0 said:
Fair enough. Get the car with the best history you can find for what you can afford. Have you considered S2000s or RX-8s? Not sure how they compare insurance wise. I know RX-8s are lots to fuel but are super cheap to buy.

RX8 is meant to have horrendous running costs, apparently anyway. I did look at them.

Yep, I got a new hi-power rx8 in 2006 & even commuting to work I rarely got more than 18mpg from it, sounded fantastic but couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding (all revs & no torque)
Apart from that it was lovely! :driving:
Rob
 
Geezah said:
Don't be put off by the 2.0 i it is an absolutely capable engine as many people here who have owned one will tell you, it is no slouch. I was looking for a 3 litre but then saw my current 2.0 which ticked every box and had every extra, not disappointing at all. Drive them both to see if it's right for you.

Having followed a couple of 2.0 cars, I can vouch for the fact that they are NOT slow! Just ask Chezsherman!
Stevo
 
If either is a serious option I would go for the 2.5 every time just for the straight 6 sound!

I may stand to be corrected, but AFAIK NOBODY makes a naturally-aspirated Straight 6 petrol engined RWD car with a manual gearbox - so get one while they still exist! :driving:
 
stevo///m3 said:
Geezah said:
Don't be put off by the 2.0 i it is an absolutely capable engine as many people here who have owned one will tell you, it is no slouch. I was looking for a 3 litre but then saw my current 2.0 which ticked every box and had every extra, not disappointing at all. Drive them both to see if it's right for you.

Having followed a couple of 2.0 cars, I can vouch for the fact that they are NOT slow! Just ask Chezsherman!
Stevo

Agreed, once they get rolling, which doesn't take that long just noticeable when chasing M's you can mostly keep up through higher corner speeds :)
 
How much would you say a 3 litre is worth as below
2003/03 plate 75k
Grey with full leather in heated seats and sat nav
Roof motor changed as stratstone
Manual
Good condition
2 owners
History as below
PDI - Soper BMW - 28/06/2003
Oil service + air filter - Chelsea BMW - 17/11/04, 13498
Inspection 1 - HR Owen BMW - 14/06/06, 28181
Oil service - Soper BMW - 28/12/07, 43370 miles
Inspection 2 - Williams BMW - 06/04/09, 54768 miles
Oil service - Soper BMW - 16/09/2011, 71143 miles


Private seller.
They want 5k for it, which looking at the market seems reasonable. But when ive done some valuations it said i should be only paying 4k.

Any thoughts?
 
Has it not been serviced since 2011? It's a little overdue if that's the case!
£5k seems a bit steep for an 03 car, have you tried haggling with him?
Rob
 
Good service history to 2011 but no service since but not many miles either. Either get the seller to get the next service done (Inspection1) or haggle him down as you'll need to get the service done. With that covered then well worth considering.
 
DLH said:
Good service history to 2011 but no service since but not many miles either. Either get the seller to get the next service done (Inspection1) or haggle him down as you'll need to get the service done. With that covered then well worth considering.
With the car as it is, how much would you say is a reasonable price to pay?

Im concerned that the price difference between the guide price and the market is so far apart. A small part of me says wait until winter and try and get one cheap..
 
Steven,
If you're prepared to travel then there are a lot of Zed's available so hold out for what you want.
The 2 litre Zeds are fun - I loved mine, they are free revving and light. Chezsherman and Geezah can vouch for how well they can keep up on the road. There are lots around and some nice versions. At your price point you should be able to find an excellent post facelift 2.0i Sport that comes with M sport leather seats, M sport steering wheel, M sport wheels and suspension as standard. Pre 2006 Zeds may have 'standard' seats and steering wheels etc - many owners like to upgrade). 2 litres have all the looks of the Zed and go around corners very well. Hold out for a well specced one as there are lots available. They can suffer from manifolds cracking
(my independent said he would weld mine if that happened - it didn't) and they can have infuriating engine warning lights due to over sensitive sensors - which can be annoying rather than a serious issue.

A pre facelift (facelift at 2006) 3.0 litre is an excellent choice but as these Zeds are over 10 years old then one which has been cherished and well maintained is a must. They can be kept on the road quite cheaply if you find a good independent mechanic. Tyres for all Zeds are expensive though mid range can keep the costs down. You can have the roof motor moved to a dry location (in the boot) for £80 avoiding high cost replacements due to rusting (though I see the one you're looking at as a new motor fitted I'd still consider this mod).
6 cylinder cars cost about a third more to run (makes sense really when you think about it) but this is particularly dependent on how you like to drive. Hold onto the revs and your Zed will drink juice alarmingly (until you get used to it!). For the performance though they can be remarkably good. Mid thirties on a motorway constant throttle for the 3 litre, higher for the 2 litre.

All versions of the Zed are worth buying as an involving and characterful sports car. They look far more expensive than they cost to buy and run. You'll have more difficulty selling a 2 litre on than a 6 cylinder Zed though. (something to keep in mind when you are buying). The market seems all over the place at the moment so you can afford to haggle hard, especially for a 2 litre.

Good luck with your search and do come and try out a run or meet, shared ownership adds to the Zed experience :thumbsup:
 
paulgs1000 said:
Steven,
If you're prepared to travel then there are a lot of Zed's available so hold out for what you want.
The 2 litre Zeds are fun - I loved mine, they are free revving and light. Chezsherman and Geezah can vouch for how well they can keep up on the road. There are lots around and some nice versions. At your price point you should be able to find an excellent post facelift 2.0i Sport that comes with M sport leather seats, M sport steering wheel, M sport wheels and suspension as standard. Pre 2006 Zeds may have 'standard' seats and steering wheels etc - many owners like to upgrade). 2 litres have all the looks of the Zed and go around corners very well. Hold out for a well specced one as there are lots available. They can suffer from manifolds cracking
(my independent said he would weld mine if that happened - it didn't) and they can have infuriating engine warning lights due to over sensitive sensors - which can be annoying rather than a serious issue.

A pre facelift (facelift at 2006) 3.0 litre is an excellent choice but as these Zeds are over 10 years old then one which has been cherished and well maintained is a must. They can be kept on the road quite cheaply if you find a good independent mechanic. Tyres for all Zeds are expensive though mid range can keep the costs down. You can have the roof motor moved to a dry location (in the boot) for £80 avoiding high cost replacements due to rusting (though I see the one you're looking at as a new motor fitted I'd still consider this mod).
6 cylinder cars cost about a third more to run (makes sense really when you think about it) but this is particularly dependent on how you like to drive. Hold onto the revs and your Zed will drink juice alarmingly (until you get used to it!). For the performance though they can be remarkably good. Mid thirties on a motorway constant throttle for the 3 litre, higher for the 2 litre.

All versions of the Zed are worth buying as an involving and characterful sports car. They look far more expensive than they cost to buy and run. You'll have more difficulty selling a 2 litre on than a 6 cylinder Zed though. (something to keep in mind when you are buying). The market seems all over the place at the moment so you can afford to haggle hard, especially for a 2 litre.

Good luck with your search and do come and try out a run or meet, shared ownership adds to the Zed experience :thumbsup:
Thanks for the advise.

Its just trying to find the right car and one that isnt going to lose too much money.
 
stevengude said:
Thanks for the advise.

Its just trying to find the right car and one that isnt going to lose too much money.

You should buy the best that your budget allows & as for losing money :wink: who can predict what the Z market will do in the future
If you have £7k I would be into one of the 3.0Si roady's currently for sale around £7k
A facelift 2.5si sport spec around £6k should offer a good compromise
2.0 Sports 50k-60kish- around £5k
Failing that a 3.0Se under 100k around £4500 will always hold favour
 
mr wilks said:
stevengude said:
Thanks for the advise.

Its just trying to find the right car and one that isnt going to lose too much money.

You should buy the best that your budget allows & as for losing money :wink: who can predict what the Z market will do in the future
If you have £7k I would be into one of the 3.0Si roady's currently for sale around £7k
A facelift 2.5si sport spec around £6k should offer a good compromise
2.0 Sports 50k-60kish- around £5k
Failing that a 3.0Se under 100k around £4500 will always hold favour
Is autotrader the best place to be looking? Im struggling to find an 2.5si sport under 7k for a decent one
 
stevengude said:
mr wilks said:
stevengude said:
Thanks for the advise.

Its just trying to find the right car and one that isnt going to lose too much money.

You should buy the best that your budget allows & as for losing money :wink: who can predict what the Z market will do in the future
If you have £7k I would be into one of the 3.0Si roady's currently for sale around £7k
A facelift 2.5si sport spec around £6k should offer a good compromise
2.0 Sports 50k-60kish- around £5k
Failing that a 3.0Se under 100k around £4500 will always hold favour
Is autotrader the best place to be looking? Im struggling to find an 2.5si sport under 7k for a decent one

Not sure how you are quantifying "decent one " :?
Have you seen this one http://www.z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=89538
I certainly wouldn't pay any more than £6500 for a 2.5si when you consider there are 2 x 3.0Si for sale on forum at £7k :wink:
 
Have you checked your insurance? Get a quote as mr wilks is right - the two 3.0si for sale on the forum make a great deal of sense if you can stretch?
 
paulgs1000 said:
Have you checked your insurance? Get a quote as mr wilks is right - the two 3.0si for sale on the forum make a great deal of sense if you can stretch?
Which ones?

Mr wilks, it was the amount of owners that out me off the one you linked too
 
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