A superb penultimate f1 race in store , or , maybe not !!

Flyingfifer said:
sacrificed at the altar of lord hammy
Close, but it's now officially "Sir Hammy". :thumbsup:
He will have to donate a good few million to the conservative party to get a peerage :D

Being a knight; I worry that all the chainmail may weigh him down next season :D
 
PerryGunn said:
sp3ctre said:
PerryGunn said:
had the regulations been followed, the race would have finished under the safety car.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the other option of following the rules was to allow them to race without the cars unlapping? That would have introduced other factors?
That's correct but if you take the race from the the point at which the decision had been made to let cars unlap themselves - to allow this or not was within Masi's remit so there was no breach of regs at this point.

There are two points to consider

1. The regulations say 'any lapped cars', RedBull argued that 'any' doesn't mean 'all' but, because of point 2, we can ignore that as it becomes inconsequential

2. the regulations state 'once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap'

Point 2 is the critical one as Masi bought in the safety car on the same lap, if he'd followed the regulations the safety car should have remained out for one more lap i.e. until the end of the race

I'd also add that Masi himself had previously set the precedence when a race was finished behind the safety car, because of the un-lapping of all cars and the safety car coming in the lap after, when quizzed about it later he informed that this was the correct procedure.

This apparently was one of the main reasons for Mercedes not bringing Hamilton in.
 
Pondrew said:
Flyingfifer said:
sacrificed at the altar of lord hammy
Close, but it's now officially "Sir Hammy". :thumbsup:
He will have to donate a good few million to the conservative party to get a peerage :D

Being a knight; I worry that all the chainmail may weigh him down next season :D

Just makes him even more of a hypocrite and reduces further any semblance of respect I had for him

Bitches and moans about the "white supremacist and anti black" British establishment then goes and gets a knighthood.... f**k off you pretentious vapid prick
 
Flyingfifer said:
Pondrew said:
Flyingfifer said:
sacrificed at the altar of lord hammy
Close, but it's now officially "Sir Hammy". :thumbsup:
He will have to donate a good few million to the conservative party to get a peerage :D

Being a knight; I worry that all the chainmail may weigh him down next season :D

Just makes him even more of a hypocrite and reduces further any semblance of respect I had for him

Bitches and moans about the "white supremacist and anti black" British establishment then goes and gets a knighthood.... f**k off you pretentious vapid prick

Blimey, I think you need some of your own meme there chap

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AndyBeech said:
Blimey, I think you need some of your own meme there chap

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Nah not the appropriate one, I couldnt care less about him being a knight my issue is with his dishonesty, trying to act like he gives a single f**k about these things and then proves me right by taking a knighthood, probably the best fitting one would be:

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Flyingfifer said:
AndyBeech said:
Blimey, I think you need some of your own meme there chap

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Nah not the appropriate one, I couldnt care less about him being a knight my issue is with his dishonesty, trying to act like he gives a single f**k about these things and then proves me right by taking a knighthood, probably the best fitting one would be:

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Ha yeah, I mean fair to say he's probably one of the most polarizing characters in sport at the moment. Luckily I only enjoy the racing side, none of the personal stuff of any of the drivers interests me as such. The only other British driver I've seen get so much hate (on a much smaller scale) is Dan Ticktum but for completely different reasons of course!
 
AndyBeech said:
Ha yeah, I mean fair to say he's probably one of the most polarizing characters in sport at the moment. Luckily I only enjoy the racing side, none of the personal stuff of any of the drivers interests me as such. The only other British driver I've seen get so much hate (on a much smaller scale) is Dan Ticktum but for completely different reasons of course!

100% agree, while I wasnt a fan of Lewis before, his injecting of politically polarising propaganda into the sport really destroyed my view of him :headbang: :fuelfire:

With the exception of Mazespin I dont really mind any of the other drivers and like most of them because I couldnt care less what they believe politically because they dont try to force it on me (admittedly a line Vettel is walking but at least he genuinely seems to believe what he says and acts to that end). I must confess I have no idea who Dan Ticktum is :rofl:
 
:lol: Your welcome!

He's an F2 driver Buzy, I only tend to catch up with the highlights now and again with it but didn't take long to discover why he's not well liked. No political stuff here, just a plain douche, or at least that's how he comes across. He's no Lando or George that's for sure! Shame as another British young gun in F1 would've been good and he's obviously got some talent.
 
AndyBeech said:
He's an F2 driver Buzy, I only tend to catch up with the highlights now and again with it but didn't take long to discover why he's not well liked. No political stuff here, just a plain douche, or at least that's how he comes across. He's no Lando or George that's for sure! Shame as another British young gun in F1 would've been good and he's obviously got some talent.
He is going to Formula E next year. He did moan a lot earlier in his F2 career but moaned less in the last couple of months. :lol:
 
PerryGunn said:
There are two points to consider

1. The regulations say 'any lapped cars', RedBull argued that 'any' doesn't mean 'all' but, because of point 2, we can ignore that as it becomes inconsequential

2. the regulations state 'once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap'

Point 2 is the critical one as Masi bought in the safety car on the same lap, if he'd followed the regulations the safety car should have remained out for one more lap i.e. until the end of the race
If a ruling has to be made all the 'what if's' and 'if that had been done, then this might have happened' are completely irrelevant because it did not happen. What happened, happened and Max won and was pronounced the winner of that race. As far as I can see, that cannot be undone. (Now we look to the future and can use the word might or may). They may void the race, but I doubt it as there are far to many things to consider including claims from anyone to everybody. Whatever is decided I don't doubt that they will say that this situation will never be allowed to happen again. As an aside, now that Lewis is a Knight, surely he should seek out a seat on a Prancing Horse. Now that would be good and I might even support him.
 
See Ross Brawn has talked about stopping the Team Principles from speaking to the RD at all and potentially looking at a football style 4th official that will be responsible for dealing with the teams
SAUCE

Excellent idea IMO, that and perhaps some sort of system like tennis where they are only allowed x number of appeals against a decision
 
It is strange that team principles can have a direct influence in real time with the race director. That will be a gonner next season for sure, as will the race director who will be given the option to retire gracefully.

As for Sir Hammy, is defo the best driver as he proved in Top Gears reasonably priced car, did once respect him but not since he brought his politics into the sport. Would love to see him and Max in a head to head on Top Gear.
 
So Mercedes have withdrawn their appeal after the FIA requested the help of teams and drivers to resolve the issues that marred this season. I’m in two minds about this and I suspect that the real reason was that if they did successfully appeal Masi’s decision to allow one lap of racing, the only possible outcome would be that they’d have to strip Verstappen of the win and title, because the race could only have finished under the safety car, because of Mas’s own previous ruling. I’m positive that Lewis or Mercedes don’t want to win the championship in that fashion, hence the withdrawal of the appeal.
 
sars said:
I’m positive that Lewis or Mercedes don’t want to win the championship in that fashion, hence the withdrawal of the appeal.
lol
That just doesn't bare out in the facts, if they didnt want to challenge or overturn the result why raise one in the first place? I dont think the how really matters to them all that much.

I am more inclined to believe that they realised if they continued to pursue it that a likely outcome would be to strike the results of that race from the record which would still result in Max winning making it a pointless, expensive and embarrassing process.
 
sars said:
I suspect that the real reason was that if they did successfully appeal Masi’s decision to allow one lap of racing, the only possible outcome would be that they’d have to strip Verstappen of the win and title, because the race could only have finished under the safety car
I'm sorry sars, but they didn't successfully appeal, so your only possible outcome didn't happen. Max is as innocent as Lewis here, they both raced to the flag and Max won. That is a fact.
 
Nanu said:
As for Sir Hammy, is defo the best driver as he proved in Top Gears reasonably priced car, did once respect him but not since he brought his politics into the sport. Would love to see him and Max in a head to head on Top Gear.

Now we're talking. :driving: 8) :thumbsup:
 
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