2008 3.0 Si for sale - Cat D

[Donnieronnie]

Hi all, yes the car was a classed as a CAT D previously,

I welcome any view of the car for discussion on condition and the history I have, for any people interested in buying. I wish I had more time on my hands to investigate things as fully as other people....... for me life's too short, buy what you like, drive what you like and have fun........ its a safe car, and you save a fair few hundred £ over an immaculate one of the same age/use.........

Thinking of keeping it as I enjoy it far too much and like the way it looks, you don't see many with this colour combo. Many others seem quite bland in my opinion.

ADMIN: Feel free to remove the forum advert post if you feel it is sufficiently dishonest. This was not my intention. The advert seeks to get interest in the car for sale, I intend to fully advise any buyer of the knowledge I have on the car during any discussions for purchase.

Yep life's too short

Ignore the mismatched headlights and bent chassis people

It's yellow so buy it and have fun

Hahaha

This has Gotta be the worlds worst attempt at selling a write off as a genuine car I've seen

Priceless

 

[Donnieronnie]

Like it or not, even a 'good' Cat D car is a pain in the arse to shift and worth significantly less. I'd suggest amending the pistonheads advert as any potential buyers would not be best pleased only finding this out when viewing the car.

Sorry, but you have no idea what you are talking about. A Cat D car can have sustained VERY minor damage and been written off, it's all about the cost of repairs, ie expensive parts, and main dealer labour rates.

How many vehicles have sustained even worse damage, but as the owners decided not to claim on their insurance, they got a "cheap" repair, and the car was never recorded as an insurance loss.

Having worked in the industry, I've seen 6 month old Fiestas, with less than 4,000 miles on them written off after a low speed collision requiring a wing, bonnet headlamp and radiator to repair with ZERO structural damage. Insurance write offs are about the money, not the damage. Once car hire, loss of use etc are factored in, it's usually more cost effective for an insurer to write the car off, pay out, and then recover 85% of the value form a specialised breaker, who in turn can realise 200% of the pre-accident condition from the parts alone..

I have bought and repaired many cat D's over the years, always disclosing their history along with pics showing the pre-repair condition of the vehicles. I usually achieve the market average for these vehicles, if not more as they are always well described and presented.

Would you rather buy a vehicle knowing it had been involved in a minor collision and properly repaired, or one that had been damaged and repaired "on the cheap" but was not recorded.... As far as I am concerned, a minor damage incident resulting in a cat D is something that forms another part of a vehicles's history, at least you know about it when you buy it...

That said, I BLOODY love that colour!

Mike

You usually achieve more than market average for cat D cars ??

Have you been drinking tonight ??

Please sign me up, I'd love a cat d for the same price of a non cat car.... It sounds amazing !!! Especially since you repaired it , and you sound so intelligent ......

Baldrick alert !!!!!

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Like it or not, even a 'good' Cat D car is a pain in the arse to shift and worth significantly less. I'd suggest amending the pistonheads advert as any potential buyers would not be best pleased only finding this out when viewing the car.

Sorry, but you have no idea what you are talking about. A Cat D car can have sustained VERY minor damage and been written off, it's all about the cost of repairs, ie expensive parts, and main dealer labour rates.

No idea? Really?

I'm not talking about the actual condition of the car. Seeing CAT D is, quite simply, a complete non-starter to the vast majority of buyers so you've automatically narrowed your potential market. How many folk want to buy a Cat D car at a price where they can buy a comparable non-Cat D car? It's patently going to be more hassle to shift.

 

[cj10jeeper]

Like it or not, even a 'good' Cat D car is a pain in the arse to shift and worth significantly less. I'd suggest amending the pistonheads advert as any potential buyers would not be best pleased only finding this out when viewing the car.

Sorry, but you have no idea what you are talking about. A Cat D car can have sustained VERY minor damage and been written off, it's all about the cost of repairs, ie expensive parts, and main dealer labour rates.

How many vehicles have sustained even worse damage, but as the owners decided not to claim on their insurance, they got a "cheap" repair, and the car was never recorded as an insurance loss.

Having worked in the industry, I've seen 6 month old Fiestas, with less than 4,000 miles on them written off after a low speed collision requiring a wing, bonnet headlamp and radiator to repair with ZERO structural damage. Insurance write offs are about the money, not the damage. Once car hire, loss of use etc are factored in, it's usually more cost effective for an insurer to write the car off, pay out, and then recover 85% of the value form a specialised breaker, who in turn can realise 200% of the pre-accident condition from the parts alone..

I have bought and repaired many cat D's over the years, always disclosing their history along with pics showing the pre-repair condition of the vehicles. I usually achieve the market average for these vehicles, if not more as they are always well described and presented.

Would you rather buy a vehicle knowing it had been involved in a minor collision and properly repaired, or one that had been damaged and repaired "on the cheap" but was not recorded.... As far as I am concerned, a minor damage incident resulting in a cat D is something that forms another part of a vehicles's history, at least you know about it when you buy it...

That said, I BLOODY love that colour!

Mike

This post has nothing to do with the technical reasons of a Cat D, but an ill conceived effort of hide a vehicles history and then waffle it away.. Had it been advertised as Cat D and stated as repaired, etc. all would be well and nothing to draw attention to.

As it happens op in a previous post stated it was not well repaired. A look at the mot fails and advisories clearly shows chassis damage and lots of worn and damaged parts listed,. Fails for cut tyres and headlights falling out shows evidence of a crash. A Look at the photos looks like very poor fitting panels, again possible accident damage.

 

[85genius]

Like it or not, even a 'good' Cat D car is a pain in the arse to shift and worth significantly less. I'd suggest amending the pistonheads advert as any potential buyers would not be best pleased only finding this out when viewing the car.

Sorry, but you have no idea what you are talking about. A Cat D car can have sustained VERY minor damage and been written off, it's all about the cost of repairs, ie expensive parts, and main dealer labour rates.

How many vehicles have sustained even worse damage, but as the owners decided not to claim on their insurance, they got a "cheap" repair, and the car was never recorded as an insurance loss.

Having worked in the industry, I've seen 6 month old Fiestas, with less than 4,000 miles on them written off after a low speed collision requiring a wing, bonnet headlamp and radiator to repair with ZERO structural damage. Insurance write offs are about the money, not the damage. Once car hire, loss of use etc are factored in, it's usually more cost effective for an insurer to write the car off, pay out, and then recover 85% of the value form a specialised breaker, who in turn can realise 200% of the pre-accident condition from the parts alone..

I have bought and repaired many cat D's over the years, always disclosing their history along with pics showing the pre-repair condition of the vehicles. I usually achieve the market average for these vehicles, if not more as they are always well described and presented.

Would you rather buy a vehicle knowing it had been involved in a minor collision and properly repaired, or one that had been damaged and repaired "on the cheap" but was not recorded.... As far as I am concerned, a minor damage incident resulting in a cat D is something that forms another part of a vehicles's history, at least you know about it when you buy it...

That said, I BLOODY love that colour!

Mike

Completely agree with you, I've bought and driven a fair few damaged repaired cars but only on seeing photos of what was done...

And a lot of other countries don't have anything like the stigma we have associated with damage repaired cars in some it wouldnt even affect the price so long as the car is straight and looks good.....

That said this is not another country this is bloody England and that car is worth considerably less than advertised not a few hundred well over a grand!

I would be more than slightly aggrieved if I'd driven 200+ miles to basingstoke to view/buy the car only to find out when I got there that the seller was taking the piss

 

[AndyBeech]

Thinking of keeping it...

Just as well on the basis of how this thread has gone! :lol:
Bit rich saying you've been 'as honest as possible' on your Pistonheads ad as well without mentioning quite a large detail! You've already had a taste with a forum member who was interested and called you out on the CAT D when he found out, just a waste of time for them and yourself, best to be honest and upfront, stressful enough buying or selling a car without adding hassle surely?!

 

[srhutch]

The offside firewall brace looks Bent for starters.

 

[Z4M-2006]

Chassis damage in the MOT history


I would break it...

Had potential to be repaired properly, but if the damage of the chassis hasn't been repaired and the repairer can't even be bothered to get the correct headlights, then I would prefer battery acid down my japs eye than entertain spending more than breaking money on it..

And metallic piss... just no....

 

[paddy wright]

If you had been honest and priced to reflect the money that needs spending on the car you wouldn't have received any grief! Lesson learned I hope! :telloff:

 

[85genius]

If you had been honest and priced to reflect the money that needs spending on the car you wouldn't have received any grief! Lesson learned I hope! :telloff:

I'm guessing not as still no mention of Cat D on the PH advert and still priced as though its not cat D too

 

[Ducklakeview]

You usually achieve more than market average for cat D cars ??

Have you been drinking tonight ??

Please sign me up, I'd love a cat d for the same price of a non cat car.... It sounds amazing !!! Especially since you repaired it , and you sound so intelligent ......

Baldrick alert !!!!!

Not at all, recently purchased a 2014 Ford Ka from Copart, 11,000 miles and was a Cat D. Car needed a bumper, 1 headlight and initially I thought, a wing. Used bumper in correct colour along with headlight purchased from Ebay, cost £220 PDR repair to wing as paint was unmarked, cost £70. Polished and valeted, cost 5 hours of my time.

Car cost, with all the fees etc, £1977
Autotrader ad £35

Sold for £4,195 and YES there are cheaper not cat D cars in the trader right now.

Profit? You do the maths, but I make that around £1,893 for a couple of days work in total, who's the unintelligent one now?

You don't know me, and I take offence to you insulting my intelligence.

Oh, and regarding the OP, then YES, it should have been stated from the outset that the card was a Cat D. TBH, and before "donniewhatisname" jumps in and asks, then YES, all of my autotrader ads CLEARLY state "Cat D"

Mike

 

[z4pilot]

You usually achieve more than market average for cat D cars ??

Have you been drinking tonight ??

Please sign me up, I'd love a cat d for the same price of a non cat car.... It sounds amazing !!! Especially since you repaired it , and you sound so intelligent ......

Baldrick alert !!!!!

Not at all, recently purchased a 2014 Ford Ka from Copart, 11,000 miles and was a Cat D. Car needed a bumper, 1 headlight and initially I thought, a wing. Used bumper in correct colour along with headlight purchased from Ebay, cost £220 PDR repair to wing as paint was unmarked, cost £70. Polished and valeted, cost 5 hours of my time.

Car cost, with all the fees etc, £1977
Autotrader ad £35

Sold for £4,195 and YES there are cheaper not cat D cars in the trader right now.

Profit? You do the maths, but I make that around £1,893 for a couple of days work in total, who's the unintelligent one now?

You don't know me, and I take offence to you insulting my intelligence.

Oh, and regarding the OP, then YES, it should have been stated from the outset that the card was a Cat D. TBH, and before "donniewhatisname" jumps in and asks, then YES, all of my autotrader ads CLEARLY state "Cat D"

Mike

Just because I don't have a clue how the Cat process works....

If a car is declared Cat D, is that on the basis of an engineers report that goes with the car as part of it's sale? Or is it the responsibility of the buyer to have an engineers report done to understand what work is required to bring the car safely back to road going standard?

In the example you quote above, did you know what to fix based on experience or a report? Is there any chance that the car could be back on the road with unknown (more serious) issues?

Not questioning your work, just genuinely don't understand how the process works....

 

[Geezah]

Rather than GLWTS, I wish you Non-GLWTS. Timewaster.

 

[85genius]

You usually achieve more than market average for cat D cars ??

Have you been drinking tonight ??

Please sign me up, I'd love a cat d for the same price of a non cat car.... It sounds amazing !!! Especially since you repaired it , and you sound so intelligent ......

Baldrick alert !!!!!

Not at all, recently purchased a 2014 Ford Ka from Copart, 11,000 miles and was a Cat D. Car needed a bumper, 1 headlight and initially I thought, a wing. Used bumper in correct colour along with headlight purchased from Ebay, cost £220 PDR repair to wing as paint was unmarked, cost £70. Polished and valeted, cost 5 hours of my time.

Car cost, with all the fees etc, £1977
Autotrader ad £35

Sold for £4,195 and YES there are cheaper not cat D cars in the trader right now.

Profit? You do the maths, but I make that around £1,893 for a couple of days work in total, who's the unintelligent one now?

You don't know me, and I take offence to you insulting my intelligence.

Oh, and regarding the OP, then YES, it should have been stated from the outset that the card was a Cat D. TBH, and before "donniewhatisname" jumps in and asks, then YES, all of my autotrader ads CLEARLY state "Cat D"

Mike

Just because I don't have a clue how the Cat process works....

If a car is declared Cat D, is that on the basis of an engineers report that goes with the car as part of it's sale? Or is it the responsibility of the buyer to have an engineers report done to understand what work is required to bring the car safely back to road going standard?

In the example you quote above, did you know what to fix based on experience or a report? Is there any chance that the car could be back on the road with unknown (more serious) issues?

Not questioning your work, just genuinely don't understand how the process works....

There is an engineers report done to get the car classified as a Cat anything.... But that doesnt always travel with the car in fact quite often doesnt... And the report is generally done before any work commences so before any parts have been removed and the full extent of the damage can be appreciated.... That is exactly why the bargains as shown above can crop up as the engineer errs on the side of caution but if there is nothing structural to replace just a couple of body panels then you can fix on the very cheap and have a sound solid car, of course it could go the other way you buy it and then realise when you start taking it apart that its irreparable at least not economically then you have to take a hit or break it for parts

 

[ZermattV]

How did I not spot the lights ....

Love the last bit of the ad on PH...

have tried to be as honest as I can, but any questions please do let me know.

 

[Ducklakeview]

Just because I don't have a clue how the Cat process works....

If a car is declared Cat D, is that on the basis of an engineers report that goes with the car as part of it's sale? Or is it the responsibility of the buyer to have an engineers report done to understand what work is required to bring the car safely back to road going standard?

In the example you quote above, did you know what to fix based on experience or a report? Is there any chance that the car could be back on the road with unknown (more serious) issues?

Not questioning your work, just genuinely don't understand how the process works....

The car will have been inspected by a qualified engineer, normally instructed by either the owner's insurer, or more likely in the case of older vehicles, the solicitor handling the claim. He will then go away and cost the repairs, based on mfrs RRP for the parts, and a set rate of labour, usually around the £100 an hour mark.

He will then compare the repair costs against the market value of the vehicle, and take into account the possibility of further damage becoming apparent upon stripdown, necessitating more parts and labour. If the vehicle IS repairable, but the cost exceeds a preset percentage of the repair, it will be classed as a Cat D or a Cat C. However, insurers can and will write off a car as a Cat D even when the repair costs don't exceed this percentage. They do this because they look at the whole cost of the claim, including a courtesy/hire car, possible solicitors costs incurred during negotiation and also what they can get for the vehicle from their salvage network, which can be MORE than the pre accident value of the car.

So in short, they can Cat D a car just to draw a line under the claim and ongoing losses such as compensation for loss of use etc.

Cat D & C can legally be returned to the road, Cat D requires no inspection or VIC (vehicle identity check) and the V5C is not marked. Cat B vehicles (usually) require a VIC, to ensure they have not been "rung" and the V5C for a Cat C will now PERMANENTLY say "this vehicle has been salvaged by an insurer" or words to that effect.


This page gives good information; http://affvehicleservices.com/blog/auto-salvage-accident-damaged-repairable-cars-a-definitive-guide/

HTH.

Mike

 

[Z4kyle]

To be honest a good seller should state its a cat d and your car is priced too high for a cat d. BUT its not law so people on here can judge but at the end of the day i bet 90% of people on here are not as honest and like to bully others. Lots of keyboard warriors. Theres a way to talk to people and explain. Stop pretending your all honest genuine nice decent people when most of you on here are a bunch of knobs really. Its a very scarcastic site but luckily there is nice decent people to.

To the seller when putting in your addvert you have been as honest as possible it does not help when you obviously have not as cat d is something a decent seller should state.

And before you all start on me i laugh in your face

 

[mr wilks]

Lots of keyboard warriors.
Theres a way to talk to people and explain. most of you on here are a bunch of knobs really.

To the seller when putting in your addvert you have been as honest as possible it does not help when you obviously have not as cat d is something a decent seller should state.

And before you all start on me i laugh in your face

What a confused individual made my day there Kyle I laugh back in yours

 

[Smartbear]

To be honest a good seller should state its a cat d and your car is priced too high for a cat d. BUT its not law so people on here can judge but at the end of the day i bet 90% of people on here are not as honest and like to bully others. Lots of keyboard warriors. Theres a way to talk to people and explain. Stop pretending your all honest genuine nice decent people when most of you on here are a bunch of knobs really. Its a very scarcastic site but luckily there is nice decent people to.

To the seller when putting in your addvert you have been as honest as possible it does not help when you obviously have not as cat d is something a decent seller should state.

And before you all start on me i laugh in your face

If that's not a bullying post from you, I'm a banana, oh the irony...

 

[cj10jeeper]

To be honest a good seller should state its a cat d and your car is priced too high for a cat d. BUT its not law so people on here can judge but at the end of the day i bet 90% of people on here are not as honest and like to bully others. Lots of keyboard warriors. Theres a way to talk to people and explain. Stop pretending your all honest genuine nice decent people when most of you on here are a bunch of knobs really. Its a very scarcastic site but luckily there is nice decent people to.

To the seller when putting in your addvert you have been as honest as possible it does not help when you obviously have not as cat d is something a decent seller should state.

And before you all start on me i laugh in your face

Best laugh of the afternoon reading this.