Tappety tap tap!
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My car has quite loud tappet noise at times as well.
Has had pretty much since I bought it.
Its been into 2 different BMW dealerships and theyve both told me its a normal //M noise and can be quitened down by valve shims during the inspection.
My inspection is due in 3500 miles. I've only done 3000 miles in 10 months though and my warranty is up in 2 months!
Do I go back in insisting they look at it for any problems?
theyve told me before, as its a wear item (the valve and shim design is designed to wear) it doesnt come under the AUC warranty.
Has had pretty much since I bought it.
Its been into 2 different BMW dealerships and theyve both told me its a normal //M noise and can be quitened down by valve shims during the inspection.
My inspection is due in 3500 miles. I've only done 3000 miles in 10 months though and my warranty is up in 2 months!
Do I go back in insisting they look at it for any problems?
theyve told me before, as its a wear item (the valve and shim design is designed to wear) it doesnt come under the AUC warranty.
Z4//MMY said:
My M3 didn't make any noise at my #1 service (50,000) KM but I was informed that my #2 service at 100k would cost $600 more than the #1 at 50k because they do the valve adjustment then. #1 was $1285 and #2 was quoted at $1800 (all plus tax). Im sure that the ZM service program is very similar as it had the same engine as my '05 M3. If you don't have close to 60,000miles on it, start raising hell and get it done under warranty. They checked clearances because they needed a cold engine at #1 and I paid for a lot of little nuts and bolts so they could do it. :thumbsdown:
The valve clearances should be checked under inspection 1. If your warranty is going to run out before then you can do a couple of things.
1. Put the whole 'noisey tappets' thing in writing stating dates looked at, what was said by dealer etc etc. Ask them to agree in writing it's a fair representation of what has happened so far. Then if it turns out to be more than tappet adjustment you will have some comeback to the dealer and
2. If you extend the warranty with BMW then you will have a much stronger case for them putting problem right if it turns out to be a major engine rebuild.
1. Put the whole 'noisey tappets' thing in writing stating dates looked at, what was said by dealer etc etc. Ask them to agree in writing it's a fair representation of what has happened so far. Then if it turns out to be more than tappet adjustment you will have some comeback to the dealer and
2. If you extend the warranty with BMW then you will have a much stronger case for them putting problem right if it turns out to be a major engine rebuild.
Just recieved word from the dealer that BMW have agreed to a new engine as the bores were worn and the crank was a little scored, all probably down to this oil starvation problem. New powerplant en route from Germany. I`m over the moon about this as the prospect of having a re-built engine wasn`t filling me with glee.
One word of warning to prospective purchasers:- DO NOT even consider this car without the AUC warranty or extended manufacturers warranty. In the 5 months I have had my Zed, if I hadn`t have had a BMW warranty it would have cost me near to the purchase price of the car. New engine comes in at £14,000 and the work that had been done before this was about £6000. All these problems were down to the oil starvation. I think Dick Lovett Hungerford need a special mention for tracing the fault and being all round good guys. Andy, the master technician (of 25 years) there, through the service department, has kept me updated since it went in on the 23rd Jan.
One last word, my car was a BMW management car, being registered at the Yorkshire distribution centre hence the YF plate prefix. As has been said on here before SOME BMW management cars have a very hard life and are not run in as instructed or sail past the 1500mile running in service. I`m not saying mine was, it has a stamp at 987miles, but just something to keep your eyes out for. Perhaps an oil pressure guage would be a good addition to a second hand car? I have seen this done before.
One word of warning to prospective purchasers:- DO NOT even consider this car without the AUC warranty or extended manufacturers warranty. In the 5 months I have had my Zed, if I hadn`t have had a BMW warranty it would have cost me near to the purchase price of the car. New engine comes in at £14,000 and the work that had been done before this was about £6000. All these problems were down to the oil starvation. I think Dick Lovett Hungerford need a special mention for tracing the fault and being all round good guys. Andy, the master technician (of 25 years) there, through the service department, has kept me updated since it went in on the 23rd Jan.
One last word, my car was a BMW management car, being registered at the Yorkshire distribution centre hence the YF plate prefix. As has been said on here before SOME BMW management cars have a very hard life and are not run in as instructed or sail past the 1500mile running in service. I`m not saying mine was, it has a stamp at 987miles, but just something to keep your eyes out for. Perhaps an oil pressure guage would be a good addition to a second hand car? I have seen this done before.
ian in lancs
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I have a Z4M that's done 24k mls and 300mls at the ring and more miles at two other tracks. They rear tyres lasted 16k mls and the fronts were getting close to 3mm at 24k mls. The front pads all have 8.5mm thickness (pad wear indicator is 3mm) and front discs are 1.068" and 1.065". The engine tappets rattle a little as the vanos comes in around 3k rpm and the tappets are all within tolerance - I was there when they were measured at inspection I. The plugs were a little fouled and worn but that's it. So to be having the kind of engine problems you've had would get me wanting a new engine. The M3 engine is bullet proof. Good job they're getting a new one for you!
As for the brakes it sound very suspicious! I'm no Sunday driver, 10min 'ring laps, yet the brakes are in top condition and hardly worn. Me thinks the garage are after work... or the car has been thrashed and that's very difficult on an 'M' - I've seen the test drivers at work!
As for the brakes it sound very suspicious! I'm no Sunday driver, 10min 'ring laps, yet the brakes are in top condition and hardly worn. Me thinks the garage are after work... or the car has been thrashed and that's very difficult on an 'M' - I've seen the test drivers at work!
Wow!.
I'm shocked at the number of engine replacements on these forums for the Z4M (s54 engine i believe?)I though the original E46 m3 Lump was very reliable, Besides the pre 2002 bearing recall that caused a few engine failures.
I would demand a complete engine replacement at worst...
I'm shocked at the number of engine replacements on these forums for the Z4M (s54 engine i believe?)I though the original E46 m3 Lump was very reliable, Besides the pre 2002 bearing recall that caused a few engine failures.
I would demand a complete engine replacement at worst...
I`m sure someone will know more than I do on this matter but percentage wise, of the complete UK numbers of Z4Ms, a lot of them are or have been during period of ownership members of the Z4 forum. It`s an enthusiasts car. So it`s still only 3 cars.
Percentage wise of owners of the 2.5 and 3.0 that have or do comment on here compared to those that dont? I`m not sure but as the 2.5 and 3.0 was produced in far greater numbers we`ll never really know what percent of engine replacements have been carried out.
You`d think, given that I`m the one with the car in the dealer since the 23rd Jan I`d be decrying the Zed`s reliability record. I can`t though. It`s a fantastic car with an epic engine that won International engine of the year in 2001 and best engine in 3.0 to 4.0 category from 2001 to 2006.
I guess I was just unlucky, but saying that I feel very lucky in that I have a car with a new engine now.
Percentage wise of owners of the 2.5 and 3.0 that have or do comment on here compared to those that dont? I`m not sure but as the 2.5 and 3.0 was produced in far greater numbers we`ll never really know what percent of engine replacements have been carried out.
You`d think, given that I`m the one with the car in the dealer since the 23rd Jan I`d be decrying the Zed`s reliability record. I can`t though. It`s a fantastic car with an epic engine that won International engine of the year in 2001 and best engine in 3.0 to 4.0 category from 2001 to 2006.
I guess I was just unlucky, but saying that I feel very lucky in that I have a car with a new engine now.
Hello again all,
New engine in car now and dealer performing road test and shakedown. Could well be returned to me Tuesday afternoon, if not will have to be friday as I`m offski to Portugal for a couple of days.
Been a bloody long time and am very excited about getting the car back. It`s been in since 21st Jan!!
New engine in car now and dealer performing road test and shakedown. Could well be returned to me Tuesday afternoon, if not will have to be friday as I`m offski to Portugal for a couple of days.
Been a bloody long time and am very excited about getting the car back. It`s been in since 21st Jan!!
Well.........I finally got her back. New engine fitted, spotlessly clean and gleaming. They`d even polished and cleaned the inside of the tailpipes!
How the hell am I meant to keep under 4500rpm and no sustained revs above 4000rpm? For 1200miles!!! Never realised how difficult that would be. I couldn`t resist but I did open the taps once or twice and the pick up seems a lot better with the new engine and obviously sounds a lot smoother and sweeter. Brakes are apparently fine so someone was shining me on a bit on those, typical dealers! I forgot how much I love this car, and to think I was going to trade it in for an E92! May actually still do that but won`t be for 12 months.
Let`s hear it for imola red M Coupes!!!
How the hell am I meant to keep under 4500rpm and no sustained revs above 4000rpm? For 1200miles!!! Never realised how difficult that would be. I couldn`t resist but I did open the taps once or twice and the pick up seems a lot better with the new engine and obviously sounds a lot smoother and sweeter. Brakes are apparently fine so someone was shining me on a bit on those, typical dealers! I forgot how much I love this car, and to think I was going to trade it in for an E92! May actually still do that but won`t be for 12 months.
Let`s hear it for imola red M Coupes!!!
Good to see you got her back Jonty.
I remember when I had to wait (although not as long as you have) to get mine back and I was driving a 520d for nearly two weeks. It was such a joy to get back into the Z4M and that initial feeling of having to adjust after driving the diesel, everything feels so much more direct and on point.
Enjoy mate.
I remember when I had to wait (although not as long as you have) to get mine back and I was driving a 520d for nearly two weeks. It was such a joy to get back into the Z4M and that initial feeling of having to adjust after driving the diesel, everything feels so much more direct and on point.
Enjoy mate.
