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Post by Polarbert » Fri May 13, 2022 7:18 pm

As my car trotted over 100k I'd always pondered swapping the bearings out. The guy I regularly take my car to can be a bit funny about certain things and he told me that it wasn't really something I should worry about. But obviously reading all the bad stories got me worried as I'm hoping to hold on to the car and not sell it.

So at 116,000 and due for an oil change I booked my 2006 M Roadster in for rod bearings, oil change, valve adjustment, and vanos exhaust hub upgrade.

I just got the car back this morning after dropping it off on Monday and for one am very glad I decided to upgrade the vanos part, as one of the tabs had snapped off on my OEM original piece. Its probably some sort of a miracle it never took out the timing chain. I religiously warm the car up properly before giving it the message but I must say I drive the car as intended when conditions allow.

I'm hoping the photos of my bearings attach okay. I've been doing oil analysis reports since 70k and they never really picked up any copper in the oil. I bought the car on 42k so perhaps this wear could have occurred before my ownership? I somehow doubt it.

I went with the WPC treated OEM bearings which should hopefully see me good for another 100k at least. I figured if these are better that the OEM ones they should last longer. But I admit I don't know too much behind the science.

Upper bearings are on the right, lower bearings on the left. And a close up of the worst one.
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Post by Mr Tidy » Fri May 13, 2022 7:44 pm

After seeing your photos you must be relieved you got those shells replaced!

Enjoy the next 100,000+ miles. :driving:
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Post by Simon 3.2M » Fri May 13, 2022 8:03 pm

That’s was a damn good call to do them!!
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Post by grannyknot » Fri May 13, 2022 9:10 pm

Make sure you show those bearings to your to regular guy, he needs to stop saying that about s54's. Looks like you got them just in time.
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Post by Polarbert » Sat May 14, 2022 5:11 am

grannyknot wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 9:10 pm Make sure you show those bearings to your to regular guy, he needs to stop saying that about s54's. Looks like you got them just in time.
Bloody good idea.

All in all I feel very glad I spent the dosh. I'm just taking it easy for the first 500 miles or so. Not entirely sure its necessary with the WPC treatment but it can't hurt.

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Post by tomscott » Sat May 14, 2022 8:18 am

TBH ive seen much worse at half the milage!

They've done pretty well, im worried about mine at 73. Good to see that these lasted another 40k!

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Post by GuidoK » Sat May 14, 2022 2:40 pm

I think these look very very worn.

normal adviced interval for replacement is ~50k miles.
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Post by PDJ » Sat May 14, 2022 7:55 pm

If you don’t change them

Price up the cost of a new crank and a set of rods as a minimum because if the bearing goes and the rod rattles around the crank it will be hard to recover the crank with a regrind and undersize bearings

Then you may as well change the mains as well

Then do you strip the rest of the engine to check for any other damage?

Is it worth the risk?

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Post by Mr Tidy » Sat May 14, 2022 9:36 pm

tomscott wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 8:18 am TBH ive seen much worse at half the milage!

They've done pretty well, im worried about mine at 73. Good to see that these lasted another 40k!
That's not a risk I was willing to take, for the reasons outlined by PDJ. :o

Leaving them could prove expensive so I had mine replaced at 78K and when I saw the old ones was glad I did - although they weren't as worn as these!
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Post by Polarbert » Sun May 15, 2022 2:39 am

Its certainly interesting seeing how worn they were. I've always used 10w60 oil changed every 5k and always wait until the cars at operating oil temperature before driving aggressively.

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Post by Argenta » Mon May 16, 2022 9:33 am

Mine were worse, but yeah good job you did it. What was the comment from the garage?
"Errmm sorry mate..." ?

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Post by GuidoK » Mon May 16, 2022 9:44 am

PDJ wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 7:55 pm Price up the cost of a new crank and a set of rods as a minimum because if the bearing goes and the rod rattles around the crank it will be hard to recover the crank with a regrind and undersize bearings
Plus the extra work.
And you have to have your car transported from wherever you are when it happens to a quality garage.
PDJ wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 7:55 pm Then you may as well change the mains as well
And your head gasket (head has to come off if you want to change a rod)
So suddenly a day's work has turned in a weeks work with at least 6 times the parts cost.
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Post by R60BBA » Mon May 16, 2022 11:23 am

grannyknot wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 9:10 pm Make sure you show those bearings to your to regular guy, he needs to stop saying that about s54's. Looks like you got them just in time.
Meh, he’s right. They are not as much an issue for S54’s than they are for other M engines such as the S65.

Also, food for thought but a new engine from Munich is cheaper than doing preventative maintenance on rod bearings, vanos and headgasket. It also comes with warranty and in theory should last longer than a rebuilt engine.

I did the rod bearings on mine ~3 months into M ownership. I also get a compression test done every year to ensure the headgasket is healthy and get the vanos hubs checked at every inspection service (which works out as every 2 years for me). However if anything happens touch wood I will be going down the Munich route as most of these so-called issues whilst apparent are also blown out of proportion.

OP make sure you drop your oil after 1,200 miles, and just enjoy the car!
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Post by GuidoK » Mon May 16, 2022 11:41 am

R60BBA wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 11:23 am Also, food for thought but a new engine from Munich is cheaper than doing preventative maintenance on rod bearings, vanos and headgasket. It also comes with warranty and in theory should last longer than a rebuilt engine.
A new engine from Munich (and that is I think a rebuild engine, new engine is no longer available) costs about £13K! (current dealerprice is €14.874,81 incl. VAT)
And that is the bare engine, so all the ancilaries and sensors have to be carried over, and of course it's an engine swap.
So you're probably looking at at least £16k total with all the work, if not more.

So rodbearings is little over £1k, vanos probably also, including new pump disk or exhausthub, so an upgrade, and headgasket about 1,5k (don't know why you want to change the headgasket, but anyway...)
That's 3,5k. Not £16k
If you do just the rodbearings, vanos and valve clearance, it's probably around £2k. In my book that's considerably less than £16k
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Post by R60BBA » Mon May 16, 2022 11:57 am

GuidoK wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 11:41 am
R60BBA wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 11:23 am Also, food for thought but a new engine from Munich is cheaper than doing preventative maintenance on rod bearings, vanos and headgasket. It also comes with warranty and in theory should last longer than a rebuilt engine.
A new engine from Munich (and that is I think a rebuild engine, new engine is no longer available) costs about £13K! (current dealerprice is €14.874,81 incl. VAT)
And that is the bare engine, so all the ancilaries and sensors have to be carried over, and of course it's an engine swap.
So you're probably looking at at least £16k total with all the work, if not more.

So rodbearings is little over £1k, vanos probably also, including new pump disk or exhausthub, so an upgrade, and headgasket about 1,5k (don't know why you want to change the headgasket, but anyway...)
That's 3,5k. Not £16k
If you do just the rodbearings, vanos and valve clearance, it's probably around £2k. In my book that's considerably less than £16k
New engine can be had for £6k mate.
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