The jab ..

Poll Poll Will you take the COVID jab

  • Of course

    Votes: 158 79.0%

  • Hell no

    Votes: 18 9.0%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 11 5.5%

  • After results of first round are known

    Votes: 13 6.5%
  • Total voters
    200
maxman said:
The factory that produces the vaccine in Wrexham had a suspected package delivered this morning.The bomb squad have arrived on site and the area has been evacuated.I just hope it’s not some lunatic fringe trying to halt production. :headbang:
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Anti vaxx idiots I suspect
 
Flyingfifer said:
Here's a question for you. I know you'll colour it, but entertain me.
Two people stand next to each other - same age, weight, everything. Hell, just for the exercise, let's say the same person, just two of them.
One wears an approved PPE mask. One is vaccinated but wears no PPE whatsoever. I expose them to an aerosol from someone who has Covid and coughs in their direction from 2 metres away.
Who is most likely to catch the virus?
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I’m not sure what you are getting at? And how does this address the risk point that was being made? We all know the vaccine does not prevent infection, it is shown to lessen the effects of the virus in many to the point it is not life threatening. So I don’t get the point of your question.
 
ProfCJJ said:
Flyingfifer said:
Here's a question for you. I know you'll colour it, but entertain me.
Two people stand next to each other - same age, weight, everything. Hell, just for the exercise, let's say the same person, just two of them.
One wears an approved PPE mask. One is vaccinated but wears no PPE whatsoever. I expose them to an aerosol from someone who has Covid and coughs in their direction from 2 metres away.
Who is most likely to catch the virus?
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I’m not sure what you are getting at? And how does this address the risk point that was being made? We all know the vaccine does not prevent infection, it is shown to lessen the effects of the virus in many to the point it is not life threatening. So I don’t get the point of your question.
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Another weird quote glitch here, it wasnt me that said that :idunno:
 
Bit late on this one as it was at the beginning of the month this was said but Matt Hancock said the following

“I anticipate we will probably need to revaccinate because we don’t know the longevity of the protection from these vaccines. We don’t know how frequently it will be, but it might need to be every six months.”

Sauce
 
Flyingfifer said:
ProfCJJ said:
Flyingfifer said:
Here's a question for you. I know you'll colour it, but entertain me.
Two people stand next to each other - same age, weight, everything. Hell, just for the exercise, let's say the same person, just two of them.
One wears an approved PPE mask. One is vaccinated but wears no PPE whatsoever. I expose them to an aerosol from someone who has Covid and coughs in their direction from 2 metres away.
Who is most likely to catch the virus?
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I’m not sure what you are getting at? And how does this address the risk point that was being made? We all know the vaccine does not prevent infection, it is shown to lessen the effects of the virus in many to the point it is not life threatening. So I don’t get the point of your question.
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Another weird quote glitch here, it wasnt me that said that :idunno:
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Apologies. This seems to happen when I use the quote from text facility in my iPhone/iPad.
 
ProfCJJ said:
Flyingfifer said:
ProfCJJ said:
I’m not sure what you are getting at? And how does this address the risk point that was being made? We all know the vaccine does not prevent infection, it is shown to lessen the effects of the virus in many to the point it is not life threatening. So I don’t get the point of your question.
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Another weird quote glitch here, it wasnt me that said that :idunno:
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Apologies. This seems to happen when I use the quote from text facility in my iPhone/iPad.
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Not a bother its happened to me too on PC, I've posted about it a few times on the forum discussion but so far no resolution
 
Flyingfifer said:
Bit late on this one as it was at the beginning of the month this was said but Matt Hancock said the following

“I anticipate we will probably need to revaccinate because we don’t know the longevity of the protection from these vaccines. We don’t know how frequently it will be, but it might need to be every six months.”

Sauce
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Im quite happy to visit the doctors for a jab every six months rather than visit the undertaker once!
 
ronk said:
Im quite happy to visit the doctors for a jab every six months rather than visit the undertaker once!
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Being in your 70s I would thoroughly encourage it!
Unfortunately politicians have created this sense that once the vaccine comes it will all be fine and back to normal, thats simply not the case with the current vaccine and we need a different approach than locking down the entire country for 8 months of the year moving forward.
 
I agree - it will be a long time before things are near normal again in the U.K. or Europe
My first jab is Feb 4th but I intend to live just as I did before the jab and treat everyone as if they have the lurgy and I hope they treat me the same!

I think the more folk that have the jab is the only way out of this situation. Herd immunity is just not going to happen.
 
ronk said:
Flyingfifer said:
Bit late on this one as it was at the beginning of the month this was said but Matt Hancock said the following

“I anticipate we will probably need to revaccinate because we don’t know the longevity of the protection from these vaccines. We don’t know how frequently it will be, but it might need to be every six months.”

Sauce
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Im quite happy to visit the doctors for a jab every six months rather than visit the undertaker once!
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That’s the way I am normally Ron never mind COVID :rofl: :rofl:

But I agree with you totally, asked my doctor last week about his view on the length of protection that may be provided and if not was there any chance it could possibly become self administered.

He said they don’t have enough information to answer that but if it became 6 monthly they don’t have the capacity to roll that in with the rest of the practices workload.
 
Argyll Andy said:
He said they don’t have enough information to answer that but if it became 6 monthly they don’t have the capacity to roll that in with the rest of the practices workload.
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And that there is the biggest problem, interesting idea about being self administered Andy, probably the only workable solution
 
Flyingfifer said:
Argyll Andy said:
He said they don’t have enough information to answer that but if it became 6 monthly they don’t have the capacity to roll that in with the rest of the practices workload.
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And that there is the biggest problem, interesting idea about being self administered Andy, probably the only workable solution
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My reasoning to him was if a diabetic, and others, can self administer could this be something I could do rather than additional 3/6 monthly visits.

For me it might be a moot point because I get 3 monthly injections for other things that I can’t do myself so could possibly roll this in with them but if the timing it the way it’s looking I’d be there every 6 weeks if I need both of these things on a rolling 3 month program. If 6 monthly not so bad
 
This woman is only educating about mRNA. She is not against vaccine.
But why does she need to hide in Bitchute?
More shutting down of dialogue.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/aK7fJNPtmMJd/
As I've said this many times.
When someone stops you from having a view, it's because they are afraid or have something to hide.
 
Stevo1987 said:
This doesn't sound too promising from the UEA...... https://www.uea.ac.uk/news/-/articl...t-be-achievable-even-with-high-vaccine-uptake
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This where it's getting even more stupid, and we need to put the brakes on, take a step back and ask what are we trying to achieve here?
How can we achieve herd immunity from a moving target?
Covid has mutated 1000's of times already. It's like the 'flu! We haven't reached herd immunity from the 'flu, and we won't!
As I read the other day, and what gave me a glimmer of hope, was that we may just have to accept that it's here and that mortality will come with it, in exactly the same way that we accept the 'flu.
 
Z4C_er said:
This woman is only educating about mRNA. She is not against vaccine.
But why does she need to hide in Bitchute?
More shutting down of dialogue.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/aK7fJNPtmMJd/
As I've said this many times.
When someone stops you from having a view, it's because they are afraid or have something to hide.
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While I broadly agree with you unfortunately someone like that isnt a good example, she is not a medical doctor in the way most people would think that term refers, shes into "alternative" medicine, imagining the cancer away sort of thing. She also has her own business that shes pushing directly or otherwise Sauce
 
Flyingfifer said:
Z4C_er said:
This woman is only educating about mRNA. She is not against vaccine.
But why does she need to hide in Bitchute?
More shutting down of dialogue.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/aK7fJNPtmMJd/
As I've said this many times.
When someone stops you from having a view, it's because they are afraid or have something to hide.
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While I broadly agree with you unfortunately someone like that isnt a good example, she is not a medical doctor in the way most people would think that term refers, shes into "alternative" medicine, imagining the cancer away sort of thing. She also has her own business that shes pushing directly or otherwise Sauce
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Strange, I didn't hear any advertisements there. I hope she doesn't get discredited just because she has her own business! She's not selling her own vaccine.
BTW, is anything she said false?
 
Z4C_er said:
Stevo1987 said:
This doesn't sound too promising from the UEA...... https://www.uea.ac.uk/news/-/articl...t-be-achievable-even-with-high-vaccine-uptake
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This where it's getting even more stupid, and we need to put the brakes on, take a step back and ask what are we trying to achieve here?
How can we achieve herd immunity from a moving target?
Covid has mutated 1000's of times already. It's like the 'flu! We haven't reached herd immunity from the 'flu, and we won't!
As I read the other day, and what gave me a glimmer of hope, was that we may just have to accept that it's here and that mortality will come with it, in exactly the same way that we accept the 'flu.
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"They initially found that 69 per cent of the population would need to be vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine, or 93 per cent of the population with the Oxford vaccine, to bring the R number below one."

I am confused. Does this paper discount any form of immunity from the millions of people that have already had the virus? I have read it twice now (very quickly) and can't see any reference to it.
 
mgrlane said:
Z4C_er said:
Stevo1987 said:
This doesn't sound too promising from the UEA...... https://www.uea.ac.uk/news/-/articl...t-be-achievable-even-with-high-vaccine-uptake
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This where it's getting even more stupid, and we need to put the brakes on, take a step back and ask what are we trying to achieve here?
How can we achieve herd immunity from a moving target?
Covid has mutated 1000's of times already. It's like the 'flu! We haven't reached herd immunity from the 'flu, and we won't!
As I read the other day, and what gave me a glimmer of hope, was that we may just have to accept that it's here and that mortality will come with it, in exactly the same way that we accept the 'flu.
Click to expand...

"They initially found that 69 per cent of the population would need to be vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine, or 93 per cent of the population with the Oxford vaccine, to bring the R number below one."

I am confused. Does this paper discount any form of immunity from the millions of people that have already had the virus? I have read it twice now (very quickly) and can't see any reference to it.
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Also don't forget they are no doubt referencing the WHO's 'new version' of what herd immunity is.
It is crazy.
How do you manage all the people entering our borders every day? Have they achieved herd immunity in their country?
 
Z4C_er said:
Strange, I didn't hear any advertisements there. I hope she doesn't get discredited just because she has her own business! She's not selling her own vaccine.
BTW, is anything she said false?
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To clarify I didnt mean that she was actively pushing her business in the video but she obviously has her own alternative medicine business which is tied to her name, her name gets out there people look for her find her business.

Also as I said I broadly agree with the sentiments of what you posted, my point was that when its the "body, spirit and soul" type "medical" doctors that are speaking on this it doesn't lend much in terms of credibility even if she is 100% correct, which I am not qualified to say with any authority although I believe that the Zika vaccine is also mRNA based as well although the mRNA vaccine is a new technology from what I have read.

The herd immunity thing if that's what the plan is then we wont be free of lockdowns for the next 10 years :headbang:
 
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