Z4MC at Horsepower

Im not agreeing or disagreeing with you Steve....

Paza's car was cheap,no doubt.... But who is to say that the £18,000 car doesnt need the same amount spending,why shouldnt it ??

Indeed there could be a lot of reasons why the seller sold....The same applies to the black car,the dealer may have bought it in cheaper than Paza bought his ?? Who knows??
If a giy off the street like Paza can go and own a car for 11k thats freely available off the net,then surely a big trader in the game should be able to buy even cheaper,no ??

Just because the price asked is high,doesnt mean its worth it..

Again you seem to agree with my point that cars like the Sepang and silver grey are worth good money...both desirable with low miles,but the car in question isnt either of these..... If it was it would be sold,like you say just like DannyG's did....


Anyway..... Its neither here nor there.... I wouldnt be spending £18k on a 46,000 mile Z4M coupe....Especially a black one.
 
Adamski said:
Paza's motor has 17k miles between services, an more than 2years in time. Perhaps that's why it was £11k


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Whats the service history like on the black car Adamski ?
 
so we reckon between 16k (bottom) to 17.5 k (tops) - within 10% so not that far out - you both differ but not by that much .

Personally i think the M has stabilised - I doubt they will raise by much or loose much over the next few years - which is pretty good news for owners very reasonable performance motoring in an interesting sports car.



I wondered before i let mine go whether I would keep it as an investment - but unless they begin to go up by 10 % a year it didn't really make sense. I don't see anything dramatic happen (either way) on them over the next couple of years .
 
Z4M-2006 said:
Again you seem to agree with my point that cars like the Sepang and silver grey are worth good money...both desirable with low miles,but the car in question isnt either of these..... If it was it would be sold,like you say just like DannyG's did....
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DannyG's took ~6 weeks to sell. As I said, these cars have a niche following, they won't necessarily sell quickly.

Whulst I do agree that desirable cars will demand a significant premium, I don't think cars fall off a value cliff when they hit 40k miles. As for Black Sapphire, that is one of the more desirable colours.

45k, with genuine CSLs, very high spec, black sapphire, imola red interior...if it has a flawless service history it's a desirable car in my eyes. I wouldn't pay £18k...but for £17.5k I think it's more than worth it.
 
6 weeks is a quick sell for a sports car with a niche market...

Again,i never said the price falls off a cliff... I said it will add hundreds not thousands to the price..

Black sapphire is NOT one of the most desirable colours IMHO.....Its the most common if that what you mean....?? Lovely when new,shocking once a few miles or years are under its belt..


What is the history on the black car? I cant seem to spot it ?
 
Hey, so I went to view that car today...it's nice, in decent condition and some nice mods. It has CSL's (no proof they are genuine though, they look it) and it has a 'unamed' cat back exhaust which cost £650 when new. It has a nice stack of paper work for various bits, but it has had 5 owners and seems to have been all over the country during it's life. The last two services were at that garage it's for sale at now.

He wasn't keen on moving on the price (said he'd throw in the tax £500) but not much else. There is a 12 month MOT and a 3 month warranty with a £250 excess.

I might go for the one at Cooper Tunbridge which they have just dropped by £2k to £15900.....anyone know this car....seems good price given it's a AUC.
 
The prices of these have definitely stabilised. I don't think there has been any value drop in about the last 3 years really. Having said that, any appreciation has been relatively light too. I'm not too sure on the future - instinct tells me they won't drop any more assuming condition and history is maintained and mileage not too scary. There is a small possibility they may do what the Z3MC has done in a few years time and creep up again as they become a real classic. They are still a bit too new for that to happen though. It may never happen. We will see.
 
Adamski said:
Paza's motor has 17k miles between services, an more than 2years in time. Perhaps that's why it was £11k


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1 service is 3 months over the "2 year rule" and a few thousand miles! hardly missing a running in service is it! :x

Service History Break down: 


+ Date first Registration - 18/05/2007


+ Pre Delivery Inspection - 21/05/2007 – BMW Main Dealer
+ Check

Running in Check Service - 21/06/2007 – BMW Main Dealer 1,234 Miles
+ Oil Service - 05/11/2008 – BMW Main Dealer 11,264 Miles
+ Inspection 1 - 09/04/2010 – BMW Main Dealer 25,735 Miles
+ Oil Service - 02/06/2011 – BMW Main Dealer 40,044 Miles
+ Inspection 2 - 10/09/2013 – BMW Indy 57,781 Miles

(Oil Service next due on 10/09/2015 or 72,781 Miles)

I did not pay a 11k for it! where did you get this from ... FFS.

I paid in the 11'sand spent 3k (All receipts) putting it right thats why it was the price it was, 2 previous owners and full service history is bang on if you ask me i have ZERO issues with the services history , i bet there are bucket loads of zeds with a few months/thousand miles over run on (1) service . The reason it was the price its was .. is the why i spent 3k putting it right and he did not want too, all i did is what AUC would do.

I think my car is not up for debate frankly I would rather you leave it out gents.

looking at the Bmw AUC one , might move mine up in price! 16k not even heated seats! the ultimate flimper spec :?
 
original guvnor said:
The prices of these have definitely stabilised. I don't think there has been any value drop in about the last 3 years really. Having said that, any appreciation has been relatively light too. I'm not too sure on the future - instinct tells me they won't drop any more assuming condition and history is maintained and mileage not too scary. There is a small possibility they may do what the Z3MC has done in a few years time and creep up again as they become a real classic. They are still a bit too new for that to happen though. It may never happen. We will see.
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Paza3 said:
Adamski said:
Paza's motor has 17k miles between services, an more than 2years in time. Perhaps that's why it was £11k

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1 service is 3 months over the "2 year rule" and a few thousand miles! hardly missing a running in service is it! :x

I think my car is not up for debate frankly I would rather you leave it out gents.
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Sorry Patrick - you're right. Your car was brought up earlier in the thread, I was just commenting on that.

Re the intervals though, most Ms have their inspection 2 at around 45,000 miles, if not before - mine was 45k. Typically the maximum between intervals is 15,000 miles and 2 years as we all know. However, you'd need to drive it like a nun to actually make it 15,000 miles between services. Normally service intervals are around the 11,500 mile mark - give or take 1,000 miles. I can see that your MC has had the correct services in chronological order, and certainly wasn't suggesting that any services had been missed.

I'm happy to change my post if it's not correct.

Z4M-2006 said:
Whats the service history like on the black car Adamski ?
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Don't know - haven't asked the seller? Can't find my list of production numbers, but Interlagos Blue had around 20 more in the production numbers, which makes it the most common. Saying that, there's probably a reason why blue and black have the highest production numbers - i.e. they're the most desirable

All else aside - I can't believe the direction this thread has gone. If someone wants to pay £18k for a car, and they're happy to do so, great. Similarly, also great if the same car sells for £16k....
 
Black not desirable on an M?

Well that comment is an opinion, not fact.

All I know is that I paid an extra grand on a Sapphire Black MC with imola red seats than a Silver one which was similarly specced.
 
So...

Bearing in mind that the op has now seen the car..

And despite it having "flawless" service history stated by Steven..which it hasn't got as it looks very like the selling garage has stamped up the book to cover lack of history , do we still think th asking price is viable??

Adamski.. The point I was making was the comment you made about Paza's car being cheap because of its history when you didn't know the history of this car... It now looks like the history on this car has been fabricated..indeed I would have to look a lot closer to even make sure the mileage is genuine.

I thought black was the most popular colour for the M ? Suppose the other blacks in the range maybe included in the facts??
I think to say because it was the most popular when new is now the most desirable 7/8 years down the line is a bit daft...
Rarity drives the value of these cars as you well know... That's why the sepang/ Phoenix and white cars amongst other colours bring a premium..

Patrick... Apologies, on your original thread a member quoted £11,000 as a bought price for your car, and you seemed to agree.. Sorry for any misunderstanding..
 
Z4M-2006 said:
So...

Bearing in mind that the op has now seen the car..

And despite it having "flawless" service history stated by Steven..which it hasn't got as it looks very like the selling garage has stamped up the book to cover lack of history , do we still think th asking price is viable??

Adamski.. The point I was making was the comment you made about Paza's car being cheap because of its history when you didn't know the history of this car... It now looks like the history on this car has been fabricated..indeed I would have to look a lot closer to even make sure the mileage is genuine.

I thought black was the most popular colour for the M ? Suppose the other blacks in the range maybe included in the facts??
I think to say because it was the most popular when new is now the most desirable 7/8 years down the line is a bit daft...
Rarity drives the value of these cars as you well know... That's why the sepang/ Phoenix and white cars amongst other colours bring a premium..

Patrick... Apologies, on your original thread a member quoted £11,000 as a bought price for your car, and you seemed to agree.. Sorry for any misunderstanding..
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With taking comments out of context and making assumptions, as above, you'd have a great career as a tabloid journalist! :wink: :poke:

I never "stated" that it had a flawless history, but said "if"......IF is a powerful word! Without decent service history then no, £18k isn't reasonable.

As for your comments regarding Black Sapphire, I can't see anybody saying that it's popular just because it's the most common colour, so not sure who you are calling daft? A lot of potential buyers who join with a "looking for a Z4MC" post, state that Black Sapphire is one of their desired colours, hence why I said it's generally a desirable colour. As is Silver Grey, fairly common, but still a great colour for the Z4MC and desired by a lot of potential owners.
 
So...

What do you think its worth now you know the history ?

The "daft" comment isnt aimed at anyone in particular.... But i think its fair to say the rare colours bring the most money,black and blue dont which are the most popular.... Surely there is a fair assumption to be made ?
 
I will put this here for you Steven,so you dont have to look..

" I can't see anybody saying that it's popular just because it's the most common colour, so not sure who you are calling daft?"

"there's probably a reason why blue and black have the highest production numbers - i.e. they're the most desirable"
 
There a several reasons why some colours are more popular when new. There is cost - these are expensive cars and specifying a colour that didn't carry a premium might have been one reason some colours sold in larger numbers. There is niche - Phoenix and Sepang are always going to be a harder sell because they are a bit more marmite than some of the others and then there is the Individual colours. I think they were about £1,000 extra cost so they are bound to be less well specified from new but may be very desirable on the used market - I.e. Ruby Black and Midnight Blue.
 
Z4M-2006 said:
I will put this here for you Steven,so you dont have to look..

" I can't see anybody saying that it's popular just because it's the most common colour, so not sure who you are calling daft?"

"there's probably a reason why blue and black have the highest production numbers - i.e. they're the most desirable"
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Fair enough, didn't see that previously, I guess Adamski is "daft" :wink: ...and that even tabloid reporters can substantiate claims occassionally :D

As for the service history, I haven't seen it, but if it's as bad as you say, personally I wouldn't touch it. £16k might then be a fair price if somebody loved the spec and didn't care about the service history.

I do agree that generally rarer colours bring extra money, but not always. Midnight Blue, Monaco Blue, Space Grey and Titanium Silver are some of the rarer colours, but aren't necesarily sought after in high demand.

Alpine White, looks good, but they haven't really flown out of adverts on the few times that they've popped up. Sepang, yes, generally does prove very popular. Phoenix yellow is a bit marmitey and I'm not sure how loved it is.

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StevenH72 said:
Z4M-2006 said:
I Titanium Silver are some of the rarer colours, but aren't necesarily sought after in high demand.
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yep mine in titanium Silver only sold in two days :D . Colour is Subjective - some love Black on the Z4M some see it as the least desirable - Interlagos Blue was sticky as new now quite a popular buy. Some hate red leather interiors some find the all black too claustrophobic.


I dont think there is a silver bullet (pardon the pun) when it comes to colour on Ms . I even think White is played out - but someone will love the Idea of a White M
 
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