Z4M - where to go next?

metal licker said:
cj10jeeper said:
Ha ha - I thought that would create comment.
Not going to photo bomb a Zed forum with F type pics, and info still love them, but Jimbo should post his video..
450 hp is around 400 for an overdrive pulley and 300 remap . 500hp is achievable for a bit more. I'm under factory warranty so it can wait and already have more than enough power
Civilised - yep Iit is if needed when the Mrs is in, but open the active exhaust, engage dynamic and sport and in a line of Zeds you hear every gear change but from the F type . In the Lakes I was put at the back for obvious reasons and had fun with the M140i letting the Zeds go and catching up (speeds of up to 70mph)
You can get the back end out and the quick shift 8 sped auto doesn't lift on upshifts but crackles
Enough - I'm on a train and an 30 mins. before I get back in the cockpit...
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Wow was expecting that to be a lot more ! So tempting :driving:
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The Americans seem to be playing with them more than Brits in the hip area, but Jaguar have already upped the power to 400 on a 2018 Series 400, showing plenty of potential still to be had. My guess it they will go,with the 300 hp 2 litre, 400 on the 3.0 and 500' V8 keeping a halo model c600 SVR as per project 8 demonstrates.
 
original guvnor said:
The F Type S is slower than a Z4M according to the full Autocar road test. 300kg of extra lard without much extra power see to that.
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Jaguar 380hp 340 torque 0-60 4.8 top 171 weight 1594kg
Z4M 343hp 269 torque 0-60 5.0 top 155 weight 1485kg

Not that pure test figures is my point at all, rather the balance of performance, fun, looks, luxury, etc just as a great alternative to a Z4M and respecting this is a Zed forum, but equally what this thread is about..
I think they're both great cars a decade apart and very different, but I'll take those figures of an S over an M, even with an extra 100kg to haul around given a chassis that can take 600hp stock
 
I do like the F type although it is a big car! Do they do a manual yet? :driving:

Been out in the V8 one and it was great fun, all over the place, but fun 8)
 
cj10jeeper said:
RedUn said:
I do like the F type although it is a big car! Do they do a manual yet? :driving:

Been out in the V8 one and it was great fun, all over the place, but fun 8)
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Yes
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That's interesting to know, a coupe could make a very nice daily 8)

Dissappears to jag website...
 
I do like the F-type - surely a classic in its own right one day. For some reason I can't imagine getting up at 6am on a Sunday morning to chuck it around some country lanes though. Seems a bit too, err.. grown up! I wish the convertible had more boot space too. It must be a decent GT, but even the E85 beats it by a good margin here.
 
jimmybell said:
Beedub said:
F type is a great option but i still feel its abit too civilised, the z4m has that RAW factor, for ME, the only car that i would swap it for currently is the Boxster Spyder or GT4, but its just to much to spend to move up, so so much.
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The car i got as a replacement i was concerned wouldn't have that raw feel you refer to (as that's specifically what i'm looking for - and i've even heard the GT4 doesn't have as it's too polished) - i have now tested one, needless to say it does, infact i'd say its more raw than the zed, and thus i've put a deposit down :p

Lots of Z4 M owners don't necessarily want that rawness though - the Z4 also offers relative comfort when not driven above 4k. Depends on how you use it, and why you use it - for me, i was only really interested in the experience between 4-8kpm :D
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Well done man... Very well done.. for me the only proper upgrade imo, I wish you could experience my particular car, it feels raw in every sense of the word , very difficult to describe but very different from the stock z4m, and because its so fresh and few miles, feels really tied together. Very jealous of the gt4 and a very big investment!! well done!!
Any links to the car you've chosen?
 
original guvnor said:
The F Type S is slower than a Z4M according to the full Autocar road test. 300kg of extra lard without much extra power see to that.
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Hi Steve,long time no see(metaphorically speaking).
How are things?

I would say the F type V6s AWD is the better prospect than the rwd f type.(I know Phil disagrees on this,but each to their own,lol)
Having driven one in anger,and then also the rwd,I would say the AWD wins it for me.....
Compared to my Z,the F type can be chucked into some of my favourite bends/roads at greater speeds than the z, especially in the wet,so that would be my car of choice as a future replacement for mine.

But,after driving an AWD v6s round alot of Scotland,England and Wales,in spirited fashion,I got home feeling less knackered than I do when having done the same in the z....but as Phil said, they are a decade apart,so to be expected (and the jag was about £75/80k,as speccced.
And it wasn't without its faults.
As such,I got out it thinking,is this worth the considerable extra cash than my Z.......No.
But a great car all the same :D :driving:
 
Beedub said:
jimmybell said:
Beedub said:
F type is a great option but i still feel its abit too civilised, the z4m has that RAW factor, for ME, the only car that i would swap it for currently is the Boxster Spyder or GT4, but its just to much to spend to move up, so so much.
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The car i got as a replacement i was concerned wouldn't have that raw feel you refer to (as that's specifically what i'm looking for - and i've even heard the GT4 doesn't have as it's too polished) - i have now tested one, needless to say it does, infact i'd say its more raw than the zed, and thus i've put a deposit down :p

Lots of Z4 M owners don't necessarily want that rawness though - the Z4 also offers relative comfort when not driven above 4k. Depends on how you use it, and why you use it - for me, i was only really interested in the experience between 4-8kpm :D
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Well done man... Very well done.. for me the only proper upgrade imo, I wish you could experience my particular car, it feels raw in every sense of the word , very difficult to describe but very different from the stock z4m, and because its so fresh and few miles, feels really tied together. Very jealous of the gt4 and a very big investment!! well done!!
Any links to the car you've chosen?
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Haha sorry - perhaps the way i wrote that confused, it's not a GT4. For me the GT4 is too clinical, poised and a bit too polished.
 
As much as i love the F type.... i just for some reason cant accept it as a directcompetitor i mean, the figures themselves... thats a decade worth of development?? just no where near as special as it could have been, imo and this may well be biased but i think the ownership prospect of the z4m is more special, the cars smaller, its just a proper sports car, that german TVR tag it gets its rightly so , the F-type is much more cruiser segment BUT.... i bet with some choice mods to really bring out their attitude its great fun.

Again, one could strap a blower on a z4m and blow the doors off the f-type v6 and Still buy another car with the money left over from the upgrade costs.... infact, the V8 one probably would get shown a clean pair of heals judging by the power to weight ratio, and thats a hole new price point.

But i get what you mean in terms of the quality and fit /finish / tech etc etc


But i Love where mods can take things now days, and imo this is the way to go as things just get more and more expensive, don't get me wrong its still an expensive route but much cheaper than upgrade costs.

check out this bad ass m135i.... i mean... WOW and the owner ... i take my hat off.

https://youtu.be/EP5OkrSveXA
 
If my normal pattern continues, I'll go to something big & fast...like an F10 M5.

Then 6-8 years later I'll get fed up of it's running costs and go for something smaller again...like the current gen Z3/4/5M or M2.

Never ended up with any of the 'smaller' 4 seaters (m3/m4).
 
cj10jeeper said:
original guvnor said:
The F Type S is slower than a Z4M according to the full Autocar road test. 300kg of extra lard without much extra power see to that.
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Jaguar 380hp 340 torque 0-60 4.8 top 171 weight 1594kg
Z4M 343hp 269 torque 0-60 5.0 top 155 weight 1485kg
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Not quite sure where you've got those figures from but there is not one mention I can find of an F Type weighing less than 1700kg and that is the reason I would never ever consider one as a sports car. Wiki quotes 1745kg for the S!
You also seem to have chosen some rather mean Z4 stats. Yes there is a limiter at 155, I've had it removed and have seen well north of 170, and a 5.0 0-60 is very pessimistic.
 
So the Jag F-Type V6S Coupe tested by Autocar June 2014 (15c dry conditions). All tests are done two-up with full fuel tanks. The figures in brackets are Autocar's road test of a Z4MC done in August 2006 with damp conditions in places and 20c. Not much in it at lower speeds but the Z4M is clearly the quicker car as speeds pass the legal limit and is also the quicker overtaking car as well in all but one of the 20mph increments.

0-30 2.1 (2.1)
0-60 4.9 (5.1)
0-100 12.1 (11.9)
0-130 22.3 (20.0)
0-140 27.6 (25.2)

Fastest in-gear times

30-50 1.9 (1.9)
40-60 2.5 (2.0)
50-70 2.6 (2.7)
60-80 3.3 (two-point eight)
70-90 3.6 (3.0)
80-100 5.1 (3.5)
90-110 5.7 (4.4)
100-120 7.1 (4.9)

I'm not saying one is better than the other. That's personal choice but it is incorrect to say a V6S is quicker. If anything the opposite is true. Not bad for a 8 year older car which costs getting on for half as much as the Jag and it's also got a much nice engine too! Maybe the F-Type Roadster would narrow the gap because it's lighter but the Z4MR is also slightly quicker than Z4MC too.
 
Well having spent last weekend at CerbFest17 I am now set on getting a TVR. I'll buy as wisely as possible (chassis refurb and some engine receipts), plus warranty from a known trader and of course the AA/RAC membership!!

The pure event of driving a 4+litre car, the noise, the looks, it just ticks boxes for what I need. It doesn't have to be reliable or easy to drive. Sure I might miss the ease of the Zed's roof and it may well break down, but it can stay on the drive way with no issues while we use the Golf for 90% of journeys.

Cerbs look incredible but I want the drop top of the Chimaera so will be going down this route.

Watch this space!
 
original guvnor said:
So the Jag F-Type V6S Coupe tested by Autocar June 2014 (15c dry conditions). All tests are done two-up with full fuel tanks. The figures in brackets are Autocar's road test of a Z4MC done in August 2006 with damp conditions in places and 20c. Not much in it at lower speeds but the Z4M is clearly the quicker car as speeds pass the legal limit and is also the quicker overtaking car as well in all but one of the 20mph increments.

0-30 2.1 (2.1)
0-60 4.9 (5.1)
0-100 12.1 (11.9)
0-130 22.3 (20.0)
0-140 27.6 (25.2)

Fastest in-gear times

30-50 1.9 (1.9)
40-60 2.5 (2.0)
50-70 2.6 (2.7)
60-80 3.3 (two-point eight)
70-90 3.6 (3.0)
80-100 5.1 (3.5)
90-110 5.7 (4.4)
100-120 7.1 (4.9)

I'm not saying one is better than the other. That's personal choice but it is incorrect to say a V6S is quicker. If anything the opposite is true. Not bad for a 8 year older car which costs getting on for half as much as the Jag and it's also got a much nice engine too! Maybe the F-Type Roadster would narrow the gap because it's lighter but the Z4MR is also slightly quicker than Z4MC too.
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Also worth remembering that's an auto vs a manual,, that zf gearbox is normally worth 0.2 second to 60 and maybe more to 100?

Not that it really matters, we all know it's about the feeling and not speed that makes cars special 8)
 
Well that got a bit boring just all pulling random performance stats to prove points so I'll leave that whole thing well alone and we can enjoy different cars :)

Look forward to seeing developments on JAD's Chimera

Beedub - that's one insane M135i
 
I'd agree, random performance stats are boring and next to useless. I couldn't really care much less whether my car was x amount quicker/slower to 100 say than another, performance in a straight line quickly becomes mundane once you are used to what you have, you'll always want more! (I had an SL65amg for a few months 10 years ago or so, so I feel qualified to say that!)
What is important (to me at least) is how the car goes about making that performance and it's here the z4m really scores imo. I'd also reiterate that the weight stats are important when considering a 'sports car' type vehicle, you just can't cheat physics.
A TVR is a great shout I think, the theatre of them, love it!
 
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