Z4M or 3.0 si?

Now, if I had a boring car for the commute to work and running around and wanted a car for blasting around the back roads at weekends, the M would have certainly been a consideration.

Thats my situation...... i have s corsa diesel for work... yes really - it does 75mpg though! The M is for the wife who commutes 500 yards to work. Then i will be blasting at the weekend. :thumbsup:

As someone has previously said though its as lot of extra costs to just blast it at the weekends.... it double tax, insurance etc.

Some of you guys are saying if your worried about costs then you cant afford it... well thats not true is it?! Most sensible people would find out how much these cars cost before taking the plunge. I can afford either - the question is whether its worth it and how much the difference actually is....


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As for M ownership costs Ill let you know how Ive been getting on...
It now costs about £48 to fill and I get about 175/180 miles out of that.
Just had to get a new tyre for the rear as the sidewall had popped and that was £211 fitted.
Only had one service so far and that was the first one, 12k miles one and that was about £200 but it is basically just an oil change!
There is no doubting it is a seriously expensive car to run but if you can afford it it is well worth it.
 
Jas667 said:
As for M ownership costs Ill let you know how Ive been getting on...
It now costs about £48 to fill and I get about 175/180 miles out of that.

Have you tried 4th, 5th and 6th gear? :) ;)

I can do London and back with about 1/4 tank left over, thats at least 230 miles already. Its no Golf TDI but we are not talking about a Maserati or a 5000-mile-service-interval Lancer Evo here; most of the costs outlined are typical for any car of this type, and the difference between running the 3.0 and M are not great. I am not worried about Inspection 2 prices as its about 40,000 miles away...
 
Well my read out says 27MPG on the motorway and around town, 20-22MPG. 16 when thrashed. I have never really worked it out TBH
 
I've got the 3.0Si coupe and I chose it as I do around 35-40K a year so needed something semi reasonable price wise to run.

When I was buyinig my car the dealer had a fully spec'd M that I could have had for a couple a few grand more than the price of my Si.

The servicing costs are a lot higher, the insurance qnd economy all meant that it wasn't really an option.

As it is I get 16K before it needs servicing I can get high 20's easily on my commute and thats not hanging around, if I take it easy early 30's are acheivable (but whats the point!!!!)

I did ditch the run flats almost as soon as I collected it though and that made a massive difference to the way the car drove.

So I say it depends what you want the car for.

J.
 
Great first post ! :fuelfire:

Well here's my 2p worth, I went for the Si, the stealer had two unregistered Si's and and registered M, I must admit I didn't even look at the M as I somehow knew I'd be hooked!

I have a company fuel card so the consumption was not an issue(I average 20 - 22mpg with a heavy right foot and mixture of cross country & motorways) and it really came down to the fact that I do 20k a year and wanted an auto. A year later I do not regret it at all, I rarely want for more power and with the runflats gone its not a bad cruiser on the mototway, just nailed 200miles in it today. First oil change was £200 and a set of falkens £360, however mine does seem to have a thirst for the oil, so far about 3l in 20,000 miles, oh and the Insurance is cheaper than the wifes bus :o

However as the previous posts if it was a weekend blast car then I think it would be the M :thumbsup: but to have such a car just for the weekends seems a shame !!
 
mikedav said:
...the difference between running the 3.0 and M are not great...
I think it depends on the age of the car, how long you keep it, and how you drive it. In my circumstances, running an ///M for 2-3 years was far more expensive than running the 3.0 I had. My fuel computer always at least 2 mpg higher than actual calculated mpg.

scottish69 said:
Thats like 17mpg.... i was banking on early 20's really.... realistic?
I would say not, to get that you wouldn't be enjoying it fully. No point getting an ///M and then driving like a granny in it, you might as well get a 3.0 and drive it like you stole it.
 
lotusdmc said:
Great first post ! :fuelfire:

Well here's my 2p worth, I went for the Si, the stealer had two unregistered Si's and and registered M, I must admit I didn't even look at the M as I somehow knew I'd be hooked!
So true... I first looked at and drove a 3.0Si.
When we got back, there just happened to be an M at the door. :roll:
My ca asked if I wanted to drive it.... I thought for a minute & said sure.

My ca asked, "are you sure? ...because if you do, you'll want it"

...the rest of the story you can figure out :driving: :D
 
I purchased mine without ever seeing one - only pictures available were from the Car Show proto Z4C. A couple of weeks later material arrived on the internet. 2 months later I climbed in a roadshow car on the cross Canada M Dealership Tour - Love at first sight in a mail order bride kind of way :lol:
 
Hi,

First, not as a reply to you, original poster, but as a general comment to US readers: in the UK, we have a sliding scale of annual tax on cars that is based on a figure purported to represent the mass of carbon dioxide the car emits per km driven. It seems that the Z4M attracts a higher rate than the 3.0, and I think it is roughly the equivalent of US$820 for the M and $550 for the 3.0 a year. Which, let's face it, is peanuts!

Now, we have fuel consumption. In the UK, petrol is about $2.20 per litre. Frankly, I have no idea what this is per gallon, but I think it is more than you pay. And that is all to the good, for our society, if not for us petrolheads, personally! So, fuel consumption matters to our wallets.

Now, back on-topic... I went through this a little while ago, before I bought my own car. It is far from clear-cut. The M is certainly going to be more to buy, to service, to equip with tyres and to fuel. Probably MUCH more. It also costs more to insure. For driving, it depends what you are after. Even as a very experienced driver of fast sports cars, I think that there are very few opportunities that the maximum performance difference between a 3.0 sport and a Z4M would count for much. Almost all of the time, the ride of the M would count against it. I happen to think that the 3.0 is a well-balanced car, but the M always just takes second place to the Cayman-S.

I assume you live in Scotland. If you are in the Highlands, I can see the attraction of an M-car. (My own experience in an E28 M535i on Rannoch Moor has yet to be bettered.) But the roads in the Central Belt seem to be so congested and ill-maintained, I think I might buy a Citroen DS if I lived there. (I am Scottish, and visit regularly, bit live in North Wales, now.)

The M is probably going to depreciate less than a 3.0 in percentage terms, but what I decided to do was buy a 53-plate 3.0 sport because it seemed to be the car that had done the most depreciation in capital value already, and capital depreciation can trounce all of those running costs, if it goes against you. Compared with the lesser-engined cars, the 3.0s seem to plummet in value over the first couple of years, and then level out, so that with a 3+-year-old car, there is not much difference in value between a 3.0 car, a 2.5 car and a four-cylinder thingy.

So, I probably the answer is that is you do not *really know* you want a Z4M, then don't buy one! There is no sensible reason to do so. The 3.0 is a really punchy car, with a little but of extra comfort that will make you feel you want to use it all the time. OTOH, if you want the ultimate, buy a slightly higher mileage, slightly older car, and the total cost of ownership could be much the same.

Above all, if you can locate a non-franchised BMW expect, you will be able to get good advice and save a fortune without a drop in quality of service. There is a network of people who underwrite trade-ins from BMW dealers. What they do is agree to take a car from the dealer that is in absolutely prime condition, but just too old for the main dealer to handle. These people sell excellent cars at good prices (I have bought several). My local expert got me an excellent (not immaculate), one-owner, full BMWSH 53-plate 3.0Z4 sport with 43k miles for £14.6k, and it has just been serviced (10,9000 to an I2) with 9 months tax and MOT, traded in to a BMW dealer in Essex, and sold though the sub-main-dealer network to me. Everyone is happy!

Hth
Alistair
 
I have owned an M3, which I had for a year. I would go for the 3.0i. The Z4M is a very uncomfortable car to drive, especially on B roads, and the added thrill is cancelled out by the amount of thrill that can be had with the 3.0 along with the better (lesss harsh) ride and the cost of running it. I loved the M3 in the year I had it, and do miss it now sometimes, but not really so when I'm driving the Z4. The Z4M will be fantastic for the first two to three months and then you will be thinking, I would have been just as happy with the Z4 3.0, anmd have more money to afford to go out in it more.

You also need to think about the actual time you will be able to spend with the car using that extra performance, which is not very often, unless you are wanting to take it on the track which I suspect you don't.

This is particularly valid as you have raised the whole topic of cost of ownership right from the outset. Save your money and go for the 3.0.
 
Z4Golfer said:
The Z4M is a very uncomfortable car to drive, especially on B roads, and the added thrill is cancelled out by the amount of thrill that can be had with the 3.0 along with the better (lesss harsh) ride and the cost of running it.

I've owned both an M54 3.0i and now the Z4M. The Z4M, in stock form and with the extra sidewall thickness, rides more comfortable than my old 3.0i with run-flat tires.

The Z4M will be fantastic for the first two to three months and then you will be thinking, I would have been just as happy with the Z4 3.0, anmd have more money to afford to go out in it more.

Having owned both a regular Z4 and a Z4M, I'm re-assured that I could simply never go back to a regular Z4. I don't think I would ever bother with a non-M BMW sports car either.

You also need to think about the actual time you will be able to spend with the car using that extra performance, which is not very often, unless you are wanting to take it on the track which I suspect you don't.

Sorry I disagree. If that's true, we might as well all be driving Miatas.
 
GP20 said:
Sorry I disagree. If that's true, we might as well all be driving Miatas.
+1 ....:D

I also agree with a comment further up....
If you don't KNOW you want an ///M ...... get the Si
 
Well to tell the truth when I bought my 2003 3.0i there were no M Z available on the market. And by the time the M was on the market my car was depreciated over 40% so I couldn't afford one. Instead of upgarading the car to an M I bought an American Muscle car from the 60s for the straight line perfromace :)...

For me, between 3.0 and M, the major difference is the LSD which you can now get from several suppliers. Other than that I am not after the power. 231hp is already enough for me in a roadster.

HOWEVER, if I would not have my 3.0, I would definately go for the M...
 
enfield said:
I think the only smart option would be a 'smart' car :thumbsup:
Not so "smart" where I live.... especially in the weather we have today :lol:
..20+cm of snow this a.m. & still coming down :headbang:
 
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