Z4M engine failure - repair and uprgrade advice

Does it pose any problems to DLC coat something that has previously been gas or plasma nitrided or carbonitrided? (adhesion wise I mean)
And does it need any pretreatment like aluminium oxide blasting (or a chemical etch?) or are the parts just cleaned and straight into the vacuum chamber? I've never seen the process irl.
 
GuidoK said:
Does it pose any problems to DLC coat something that has previously been gas or plasma nitrided or carbonitrided?
And does it need any pretreatment like aluminium oxide blasting (or a chemical etch?) or are the parts just cleaned and straight into the vacuum chamber? I've never seen the process irl.

Yes typically a PVD coating won't adhere very well onto a nitrided surface but it will depend on the substrate and what type of nitriding process it has had.
99% of the time we will deposit onto the bare substrate.
We would only glass bead shot peen to remove an oxide or discolouring from some manufacturing processes like EDM etc if the surface tolerance allows. Aluminium oxide blasting is usually too abrasive.
We clean everything in either an aqueous based detergent or solvent with vacuum drying before it goes into the vacuum chamber for deposition.
 
Regardless of whether you use standard or Schrick cams, I would buy Schrick followers. The likely precipitant for the cam lobe wear is failure of the case hardening of one or several followers. OEM followers are likely to fail again eventually...
 
If they are as badly damaged as you say would it not make sense to inspect further into the engine and see if the little bits of metal scraped off from the cams have done any further damage, to the crank for instance?
Personally I would also be doing the rod bearing shells whilst you're doing all this, and head gasket as mentioned.
 
LostBoy_84 said:
Mister T said:
Plenty of places in the UK that can DLC coat a set of followers for you. I used Reactive Suspension in York to do some for my Nissan track car.

Reactive Suspension don't deposit any DLC of their own as far as I'm aware.
We do some of their fork tubes with one of our DLC's via PVD magnetron sputtering.

You probably did my rocker arms then :)

It seems to be holding up well so far...
 
I'm not sure why I'd need to get DLC coating because my current ones will surely be too worn out? If I'm buying new ones I'd probably go Shrick anyway since they're very similar price to OEM.

Does anyone know if id need any more upgrades to support the Shrick camshafts (280°/272°) beyond the followers? I'm keen to take some positives from this situation but money is limited :(

I will be looking to take advantage of the engine being apart, making sure the valves are in good condition, head gasket etc.
 
Beedub said:
BTW PLEASE PLEASE name and shame that indie..... how they missed that is beyond me. The diagnostic Fee is the least of their concern imo, they need naming so they can be avoided, trust me they'll loose out far more than you will. The community needs to know!

I'll certainly be pursuing things with them and keep you posted about the outcome. I'm furious because even as a layman I suspected cams/followers which is why I jumped on that low mileage set. I don't know if theyre incompetent or were trying to trick me into a paying for more work than was needed. They did my inspection 1 last year and everything when smoothly, this is very strange. In my experience when a garage cocks up they will use smoke and mirrors but I'm not taking any BS on this.
 
tomTVR said:
They did my inspection 1 last year and everything when smoothly, this is very strange.
Makes you wonder if they did the valve clearances at all during the inspection 1 last year, you'd have thought the cam wear would have been visible then also.
 
Same problem i've just went through.

Cam followers and x2 camshafts replacement required due to scoring, Valve clearance adjustment and full top engine rebuild.
I also had the head gasket blown on cylinder head 1.

Worst thing was out of warranty....this is not a vanos problem.

Total works cost at stealers £5000

2006 Z4mR 42,000 FSH
 
Izice said:
Same problem i've just went through.

Cam followers and x2 camshafts replacement required due to scoring, Valve clearance adjustment and full top engine rebuild.
I also had the head gasket blown on cylinder head 1.

Worst thing was out of warranty....this is not a vanos problem.

Total works cost at stealers £5000

2006 Z4mR 42,000 FSH

42k?? ok thats scary.
 
Think I'll be checking my own clearances in the future. Any excuse to get my hands dirty, TBH.
 
MrPT said:
Think I'll be checking my own clearances in the future. Any excuse to get my hands dirty, TBH.

Only way forward, i'm getting kitted and self taught from now on as i don't trust the garages and i want to save some cash.

My experience.

Valve clearance done on an early inspection 2 service at 1 BMW garage.......less than 3 months later 2 BMW garage investigated ticking noise and part of this did some valve clearances which were out apparently....ticking noise still present, they said it was "probably the vanos"

Back to 1st BMW garage 3 months later to investigate ongoing ticking noise and additional o2 sensor...surprise surprise a couple of clearances were out ....on top of previously misdiagnosed by previous 2 BMW garage .....cams/followers/gaskett and about the 6th O2 sensor this car has blown.
 
Right I've decided I'm going to sell my speedboat (my son is going to kill me!) and use the money for a major overhall while the engine is in bits. No point doing half a job.

Can anyone please tell me the cheapest place to buy a new clutch?

When changing the head gasket do you recommend going OEM or is there an upgraded aftermarket version?
 
Sorry to hear of your troubles, it's something we seem to be seeing more and more of unfortunately yet sadly there's no cheap way to fix it. What I find more worrying is that there's no real set pattern or confirmed cause for the failures which to my mind, means it could just as easily happen again further down the line.....or not as the case may be!

When I was at CPC last year I mentioned this to them (they had 2 in for worn cams at the time!) and they seemed to think they saw an unusually high number of z4ms with this issue relative to the numbers produced. Their take on it was perhaps they are driven harder or are tracked more often as it's something more common to the csl. I wonder though if it's perhaps the opposite and it's due to the fact that many of these cars are kept for weekends (like many CSL's I imagine) and used infrequently meaning the oil retention issue mentioned in the link by Babw comes in to play.

As for the HG, I'm not aware of an uprated one but there may be an improved version out there. That said, given that failures aren't hugely common (and very, very rarely on cars with less than 50k) I think a standard OEM one should be more than fine. Same for the clutch imo, though I'd be happy to spend a little more on this rather than chancing it with a cheapy. No idea where's best to shop though I'm afraid.
 
tomTVR said:
Right I've decided I'm going to sell my speedboat (my son is going to kill me!) and use the money for a major overhall while the engine is in bits. No point doing half a job.

Can anyone please tell me the cheapest place to buy a new clutch?

When changing the head gasket do you recommend going OEM or is there an upgraded aftermarket version?

Cometic do an uprated gasket, but I wouldn't bother with one unless you plan to go with forced induction.
 
damn sorry to hear about the speedboat sale to fund the repairs.... you must really love this car. GL.
 
OP i think you will REALLY enjoy reading through this, some great info and great pics too, may be worth registering and posting some questions to andrew lang,... The op in this link is at 200K on the original cams and followers, the wear on some of them visually flat.

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=547883
 
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