Z4M Air Intake Options / Benefits / Problems?

srhutch said:
Adding 10 bhp to a 338 bhp is only adding about 3%, are you really going to notice the difference :idunno:

Mine going in for its Inspection 2 on the 19th March after which I will be fitting the GruppeM.

Also BHP doesn't translate to torque which is far more important in my eyes :D
 
AndyBeech said:
srhutch said:
Adding 10 bhp to a 338 bhp is only adding about 3%, are you really going to notice the difference :idunno:

Mine going in for its Inspection 2 on the 19th March after which I will be fitting the GruppeM.

Also BHP doesn't translate to torque which is far more important in my eyes :D

Indeed and unless that is substantial again you won't notice it. Noise is what I'm after.
 
srhutch said:
Adding 10 bhp to a 338 bhp is only adding about 3%, are you really going to notice the difference :idunno:

Mine going in for its Inspection 2 on the 19th March after which I will be fitting the GruppeM.

Just out of interest, why GruppeM and not the Eventuri?
 
Angelus666 said:
Happy to take you out in mine (with GruppeM). Initially I was a little underwhelmed (I thought it'd be like my old CSL...it's about 70%), but now I love it...it's perfect balance, just the right amount of induction noise when on it. I would 100% recommend it.

You do find yourself driving a little more aggressively though to hear it at work. Which to me is a good thing.

Sounds good :thumbsup: where abouts are you based? Would love to have a ride along
 
StevenH72 said:
srhutch said:
Adding 10 bhp to a 338 bhp is only adding about 3%, are you really going to notice the difference :idunno:

Mine going in for its Inspection 2 on the 19th March after which I will be fitting the GruppeM.

Just out of interest, why GruppeM and not the Eventuri?

Because I bought it in October :lol:
 
srhutch said:
StevenH72 said:
srhutch said:
Adding 10 bhp to a 338 bhp is only adding about 3%, are you really going to notice the difference :idunno:

Mine going in for its Inspection 2 on the 19th March after which I will be fitting the GruppeM.

Just out of interest, why GruppeM and not the Eventuri?

Because I bought it in October :lol:

Seems very rational :thumbsup:
 
To be honest, in my opinion, if your after real life performance gains with any of these kits....your gonna be disappointed. As much as I respect what Evolve have done with their kit, I'm pretty sceptic what the kit alone would give you in performance despite the claims. Along with a remap maybe you'd get a very slight noticeable increase but for me these induction kits are all about releasing the noise of the S54 which is epic. From what Ive seen and can tell so far the Gruppe releases that sound similar to the CSL box, at a fraction of the cost, and that's why I'm pretty cuffed with mine :)
 
I'm just outside Harlow in Essex, so if you're near then more than happy to give you the comparison....wait until March 9th and you can see what a brand new gearbox feels like too! :D
 
AndyBeech said:
To be honest, in my opinion, if your after real life performance gains with any of these kits....your gonna be disappointed. As much as I respect what Evolve have done with their kit, I'm pretty sceptic what the kit alone would give you in performance despite the claims. Along with a remap maybe you'd get a very slight noticeable increase but for me these induction kits are all about releasing the noise of the S54 which is epic.


Can understand your sentiments as our own experience has proven the same however as previously explained, the Eventuri system which is now Patent Pending is a completely different intake and all our Z4M and E46 M3 customers have reported a significant improvement in throttle response as well as power delivery from even the lower rpms. Here is a recent dyno from an E46 M3 customer who had a standard and well maintained car which was fitted with the Eventuri, then remapped (rpm raised). You can see the gains in power from both stages.

All I can say is - come along to the open day on the 28th March and see for yourselves :D

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Also I asked Imran @ Evolve to provide me with a graph of a Z4M before and after the GruppeM intake. As you can see it does provide a gain but mainly at the top end. He told me that this test was done on a stock car that belonged to a forum member known as FlatOut aka Richard.

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Eventuri said:
AndyBeech said:
To be honest, in my opinion, if your after real life performance gains with any of these kits....your gonna be disappointed. As much as I respect what Evolve have done with their kit, I'm pretty sceptic what the kit alone would give you in performance despite the claims. Along with a remap maybe you'd get a very slight noticeable increase but for me these induction kits are all about releasing the noise of the S54 which is epic.


Can understand your sentiments as our own experience has proven the same however as previously explained, the Eventuri system which is now Patent Pending is a completely different intake and all our Z4M and E46 M3 customers have reported a significant improvement in throttle response as well as power delivery from even the lower rpms. Here is a recent dyno from an E46 M3 customer who had a standard and well maintained car which was fitted with the Eventuri, then remapped (rpm raised). You can see the gains in power from both stages.

All I can say is - come along to the open day on the 28th March and see for yourselves :D

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If I buy and fit one at the open day, will there be any possibility of getting a dyno comparison? Would be interesting to see.
 
It would have to be before the open day officially starts at 10:30am as Evolve use the open day to talk to customers rather than do dyno runs etc otherwise it just becomes a dyno day :wink: . Won't be a problem to do early though :thumbsup:
 
Eventuri said:
It would have to be before the open day officially starts at 10:30am as Evolve use the open day to talk to customers rather than do dyno runs etc otherwise it just becomes a dyno day :wink: . Won't be a problem to do early though :thumbsup:

I was going to suggest the same, but am happy to see another Z4M with a GruppeM tested and base my opinions/credit card details on this :thumbsup:
 
Eventuri said:
It would have to be before the open day officially starts at 10:30am as Evolve use the open day to talk to customers rather than do dyno runs etc otherwise it just becomes a dyno day :wink: . Won't be a problem to do early though :thumbsup:

PM sent. :thumbsup:
 
Eventuri said:
Also I asked Imran @ Evolve to provide me with a graph of a Z4M before and after the GruppeM intake. As you can see it does provide a gain but mainly at the top end. He told me that this test was done on a stock car that belonged to a forum member known as FlatOut aka Richard.

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LoL! That is now my car ...
 
JAD said:
Eventuri said:
It would have to be before the open day officially starts at 10:30am as Evolve use the open day to talk to customers rather than do dyno runs etc otherwise it just becomes a dyno day :wink: . Won't be a problem to do early though :thumbsup:

I was going to suggest the same, but am happy to see another Z4M with a GruppeM tested and base my opinions/credit card details on this :thumbsup:

You do mean the same car with both systems Dyno'd, otherwise its a pointless exercise.
 
srhutch said:
JAD said:
Eventuri said:
It would have to be before the open day officially starts at 10:30am as Evolve use the open day to talk to customers rather than do dyno runs etc otherwise it just becomes a dyno day :wink: . Won't be a problem to do early though :thumbsup:

I was going to suggest the same, but am happy to see another Z4M with a GruppeM tested and base my opinions/credit card details on this :thumbsup:

You do mean the same car with both systems Dyno'd, otherwise its a pointless exercise.

Mmmmmmm, surely you need the same Z4 on the same day with each intake fitted and then ran almost back to back to get a fair comparison. An intake fitted to a healthy M3 on one day to a Z4 thats an unknown quantity on a different day doesn't seem particulary valid. I'm such a sceptic! Anyway, I'm not fussed im happy with the Gruppe and im sure the Evolve is equally good.
What about the results of a Gruppe with the same remap?
Any comment on the sound differences between the two as you've heard both?
 
That's what's being suggested, i.e.Steven's car with the current GruppeM dyno'd and then the same car, same day, same dyno but with the Eventuri kit. If the figures go up, the latter is the better kit. If they stay the same, from the videos I have seen (but will make up my mind on the day) the GruppeM has the better noise.
 
JAD said:
That's what's being suggested, i.e.Steven's car with the current GruppeM dyno'd and then the same car, same day, same dyno but with the Eventuri kit. If the figures go up, the latter is the better kit. If they stay the same, from the videos I have seen (but will make up my mind on the day) the GruppeM has the better noise.

Steven hasn't got a GruppeM though so not sure how that's going to happen.
 
Also, really this comparison should be done at an independent dyno to have any real worth. Of course I'm not suggesting anything underhand would be going on but it is quite simple as I understand it for the dyno operator to 'tweak' results.
When the manufacturer of a device produces comparison results they must and will be by some people taken with a pinch of salt. Perhaps unfairly, but there you go.
 
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