Z4 to be axed ?!
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About time tbg, the G29 has brought nothing new to the table and I cannot believe it has no hybrid option. Let alone the new 3 series not having a full electric option, just screams madness to me. I know BMW et al do not want electric to succeed as it's less profitable, but it's what the market wants now. Car sales will decline until everyone catches up.
Tinker15 said:Chris1712 said:
If the market is crying out for electric cars how come so few are being sold?
They are? The Model 3 is outselling all it's competitors combined. Once more segments are covered with other models (stupid mini SUVs etc.) even more will sell.
Jembo said:
Jembo,
Totally agree.
One of the great ironies is that with Tesla, the US has a leading manufacturer in the electric car market.
They also have a class leader in the electric motorcycle market ( Zero).
But is all seems to be led by California and so many other states are less convinced. Especially the poorer ones...
As another has said - Why did BMW miss a trick by not producing an all electric or hybrid G29?
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Doubt Bmw will see the mountain of debt Tesla is under as a business route they fancy
Most manufacturers are doing the minimum with regard all electric , after all , they aren't in the game to save the world :wink:
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You have a point Mr. Wilks.
Maybe BMW are playing the long game.
Did wonder whether the unit costs of a lower volume model, being built in Western Europe has had a part to play?
But we’ll never know for sure.
Doubt Bmw will see the mountain of debt Tesla is under as a business route they fancy
Most manufacturers are doing the minimum with regard all electric , after all , they aren't in the game to save the world :wink:
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You have a point Mr. Wilks.
Maybe BMW are playing the long game.
Did wonder whether the unit costs of a lower volume model, being built in Western Europe has had a part to play?
But we’ll never know for sure.
Fancy a cup of tea? OR shall we get the car out?Chris1712 said:Tinker15 said:Chris1712 said:
If the market is crying out for electric cars how come so few are being sold?
They are? The Model 3 is outselling all it's competitors combined. Once more segments are covered with other models (stupid mini SUVs etc.) even more will sell.
Bollocks! Electric car sales in the U.K. for 2018 represented 2.7% of total cars sold. Tesla has debts of nearly $12 billion, produces cars of questionable quality and is run by a sociopath. I doubt this is a path BMW will want to follow.
Electric cars are a bit like public transport, folks like the ideology but neither the tech or the infrastructure are really there yet.
One aspect of electric vehicle ownership that's still little known is just how bloody expensive they are to insure when compared with their conventional alternatives. This coupled to the other compromises such as range/recharge times/price/battery longevity etc still make them a hard sell to the masses. A shame really.
From a strictly environmental point of fuel electric vehicles don't make a lot of sense if a fossil fueled power station is making the electric in the first place (as still is the case for most of the UK's power), its just masking the problem.
One aspect of electric vehicle ownership that's still little known is just how bloody expensive they are to insure when compared with their conventional alternatives. This coupled to the other compromises such as range/recharge times/price/battery longevity etc still make them a hard sell to the masses. A shame really.
From a strictly environmental point of fuel electric vehicles don't make a lot of sense if a fossil fueled power station is making the electric in the first place (as still is the case for most of the UK's power), its just masking the problem.
A few 2014 Tesla Model S were tested a while back, most had held 96% of their battery power....so surprisingly quite good. I think the batteries are a £10k replacement, so not cheap, but no different to a new S54 engine.
We've said it before on here, but the younger generation simply doesn't value a 2 seater sports car in the same way we do/did. Almost all the <30 people I know look at Range Rovers, SUV's or Tesla's....none lust after a mid-range 2 seater. I bet there are not many folk on here who are under the age of 23....
We've said it before on here, but the younger generation simply doesn't value a 2 seater sports car in the same way we do/did. Almost all the <30 people I know look at Range Rovers, SUV's or Tesla's....none lust after a mid-range 2 seater. I bet there are not many folk on here who are under the age of 23....
As I understand it when an electric car battery is "knackered" it still has 80% capacity - I read an article which suggested they can still be used as storage for the grid, but not sure how feasible that is.
Also, alongside the electricity being produced in fossil fuel powered stations, there is also a massive environmental impact on creating the Lithium ion batteries in the first place - this is what really needs to be solved in my opinion - we need much much much better battery tech to make any of this viable long term.
I do worry about the "ban" on conventionally powered cars the government is planning for 2040 - I know this will be for new cars, but having just built a kit car with a 5.9 litre engine, I wonder if this will really be viable in 20 years time!
Also, alongside the electricity being produced in fossil fuel powered stations, there is also a massive environmental impact on creating the Lithium ion batteries in the first place - this is what really needs to be solved in my opinion - we need much much much better battery tech to make any of this viable long term.
I do worry about the "ban" on conventionally powered cars the government is planning for 2040 - I know this will be for new cars, but having just built a kit car with a 5.9 litre engine, I wonder if this will really be viable in 20 years time!
Angelus666 said:
Oh I don’t know, my 19 year old son would give his left kidney for my car. Of course maintaining, insuring and running it would ruin him... but he still wants it !
I think you’d be surprised by the number of early 20s drivers on here - I don’t know for sure, but early models are so cheap now that they’re an attractive amusement for childless unmarried folk.
Tinker15 said:Chris1712 said:Tinker15 said:If the market is crying out for electric cars how come so few are being sold?
They are? The Model 3 is outselling all it's competitors combined. Once more segments are covered with other models (stupid mini SUVs etc.) even more will sell.
Bollocks! Electric car sales in the U.K. for 2018 represented 2.7% of total cars sold. Tesla has debts of nearly $12 billion, produces cars of questionable quality and is run by a sociopath. I doubt this is a path BMW will want to follow.
I guess we'll see who's right in 10 years
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The gaps only going to get wider until other manufacturers catch up.
Jaguar is doing well over there 
Bing said:
I guess that's the point. In the past 'we' would have prioritised our money to get into that car....today there are so many other things that a 19 year old chap would rather spend his money on. Maybe it's different where I live, but I rarely see young chaps driving mid range 2 seater sports cars.
Angelus666 said:
I bought my M coupe at 23... ok 8 years later now but all my mates lusted after a 2 seater not sure much has changed.
Probably my dads fault I also lusted after his M cars and just happened to be in the position not long after uni so jumped on it and since selling it regretted it massively.
Probably more the issue is that nobody makes them and the old ones have shot up in value. My M coupe was 4 years old £17.5k with 40k miles and from a BMW dealer. Traded in my car and borrowed 10 was mine in 2 years.
I see loads of kids in 135 and 140s probably the closest thing BMW make now.