Would you vote differently now?

Poll Poll Another Brexit vote.

  • OUT

    Votes: 50 46.3%
  • IN

    Votes: 58 53.7%

  • Total voters
    108
Mr Tidy said:
Vornwend said:
The electorate are entitled to another vote simply because they didn't know what they were voting for Ridiclous to have a simple yes/ no vote on something so complicated. Cameron's attempt to stay in power that back fired big time.

Why? There was a referendum in 1974 but no 2nd vote. And I'm sure the electorate then was no more aware of what they had voted for than this time.

Even the SNP seem to have realised you can't keep having a referendum until you get the result "you" want - why can't you come to terms with that?

Or don't you believe in democracy when it doesn't fit your agenda? :poke:

Reading some of the viewpoints on here I think you’ve just hit the nail on the head :roll:
Rob
 
Vornwend said:
I'd rather base my views on facts than might's or maybes. The great thing about democracy is that you can change your mind when you realise you've made a mistake. The vote did not give politicians a blank cheque and the electorate are entitled to a vote on the terms of the exit when they become clear. Thankfully we're still in and will be for years to come. By that time the generation that swung the vote will be a lot smaller :D

On that basis you would never have agreed to enter the EEC in 1972 then.

The electorate was never given a vote on the creation of the internal market and everything that entailed in the Maastrict/Lisbon Treaties (free movement, supremacy of ECJ, increased power of the European Parliament etc).
 
Mr Tidy said:
Or don't you believe in democracy when it doesn't fit your agenda? :poke:
He's just following the EU policies on reacting to referenda in which the public don't vote the way you want them to i.e. make them vote again until you get the 'correct' result - e.g. Irish referendum on the Treaty of Lisbon
 
Vornwend said:
I'd rather base my views on facts than might's or maybes. The great thing about democracy is that you can change your mind when you realise you've made a mistake. The vote did not give politicians a blank cheque and the electorate are entitled to a vote on the terms of the exit when they become clear. Thankfully we're still in and will be for years to come. By that time the generation that swung the vote will be a lot smaller :D
I agree we should have a vote on whether to accept the deal the EU offer us, but if we don’t accept it we still must leave the EU, just without a deal. Can you imagine what deal we are offered if the EU know the British electorate will get to vote on it, and if we reject it we just stay in the EU? Exactly. It’s monumentally stupid to go in to a negotiation saying, if I don’t get what I want then everything is just going to stay the same, when the people you are negotiating with want it to stay the same.
And as the population is getting older, not younger, I think we’ll be safe if there was another referendum. With Junker talking about letting more countries and expanding the eurozone and creating a European army it’s looking even worse for the remainers.
 
I wonder how you lot expect the monkeys in charge to run the country on their own when they can't get basics rights with the help of EU? I mean really, we've got no one in power who is capable of doing it. May is a complete wreck, Corbyn is all over the place..
 
Its a tough negotiation thats for sure. The EU know that if they give us a good deal then others may be encouraged to leave. They also know that a bad deal will hurt them but its a game of brinkmanship now. They may calculate that a bad deal will seal the fate of this lame government - in fact the electorate signalled that they were not happy with Theresa May's "Brexit means Brexit", "no deal is better than a bad deal" (notice she has quietly dropped that line now) approach when she opportunistically tried to increase her majority in the general election and lost her majority. She wanted a bigger majority to increase her hand with the EU and the electorate refused to give it to her. For the Europeans its always been about more than just economics and we never really understood that or sympathised with it. I would rather have stayed in where at least we could be a moderating influence and (as the facts clearly show) gain massively from the advantages of a single market. My money is still on a fudge 4 years down the line :) Great that we are all allowed to have an opinion though! :thumbsup:
 
Buckz said:
I wonder how you lot expect the monkeys in charge to run the country on their own when they can't get basics rights with the help of EU? I mean really, we've got no one in power who is capable of doing it. May is a complete wreck, Corbyn is all over the place..

I'd agree with most of what you said, but referring to the "help of EU" seems to suggest they have some grip on things - EU officials seem to be at least as clueless as our own lot!

And if that is the best we can hope for I'd rather be ruled by clueless Brits than clueless Europeans. :lol:
 
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