rfx45 said:
Would you swap yours for a Z4M ?
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original guvnor said:
He asked why I feel it would be better. And those are MY reasons.
I never stated it was a fact.
Don't get offended just because I like and prefer the E89. You love your Z4M, then good, no need to change everyone's mind on it. My post was not an attack but a personal preference.
A Z4 35i looks be a pretty awesome all rounder really. I love my E85 3.0, but am very much looking forward to the day I can upgrade to an E89 35i.
Having driven my dad's 2012 E89 2.0, it's simply a much nicer car for day-to-day commuting, and handles our ****house roads much better. It has more of a luxury feel IMO, but is still awesome to drive and stunning to look at.
I've never had the opportunity to drive a Z4 M, but from what I read it's even harder than the standard Z4. As an all-rounder, it wouldn't have a patch on an E89.
Having driven my dad's 2012 E89 2.0, it's simply a much nicer car for day-to-day commuting, and handles our ****house roads much better. It has more of a luxury feel IMO, but is still awesome to drive and stunning to look at.
I've never had the opportunity to drive a Z4 M, but from what I read it's even harder than the standard Z4. As an all-rounder, it wouldn't have a patch on an E89.
It's purely a personal choice.
I looked at both recently and decided on the M. I think the e89 is a beautiful car - but for me the M is a much rarer and more 'special' car. Prior to looking to buy one I'd never seen one in the flesh. The first time you drive one you smile from ear to ear and start laughing - its a manic 'bucket list' moment.
Because of BMWs recent deal e89's are now everywhere (recession white), and although the 35i is top of the pops to most people its just another e89...
The only way I'd ever move to an e89 from an M would be for an e89 M
But it's a personal choice...
I looked at both recently and decided on the M. I think the e89 is a beautiful car - but for me the M is a much rarer and more 'special' car. Prior to looking to buy one I'd never seen one in the flesh. The first time you drive one you smile from ear to ear and start laughing - its a manic 'bucket list' moment.
Because of BMWs recent deal e89's are now everywhere (recession white), and although the 35i is top of the pops to most people its just another e89...
The only way I'd ever move to an e89 from an M would be for an e89 M
But it's a personal choice...
rfx45 said:
Sorry wasn't meant to come across as a prickly post! It was meant to be a bit tongue-in-cheek !
robertsskippyj
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socketr said:micz4 said:
Yup, a tuned 35i is a scud. However E85/6M owners will comment about the better handling and other M characteristics which separate the Z4M from other Z models and you know what there totally right. But and it's a big but from me in the real world drivers don't exploit the handling characteristics of the M platform (they may like to think they do), that's why the 335i 335d and 35i are the better all around choices IMHO.
Maniac from a 35i youve surely got to be thinking R35 mate?
Big +1. 90% of drivers will be unable to to access the extra potential that the M platform provides them in the real world. To take an extreme example, I could fairly safely bet that a F1 driver could take a 30i round Silverstone quicker than the average person could get a Z4MC round.
IMHO, its the current model, turns a lot more heads if you like that sort of thing and gives you the best of a coupe and convertible.
socketr said:Maniac from a 35i youve surely got to be thinking R35 mate?
The GT-R would be something else indeed. However its not do-able until I move from Manchester as the GT-R here, insurance per year, is around £4000 and that's simply a figure I refuse to pay. Once I've moved back to the sticks in a couple of years time, I'll revisit my lust for the GT-R for certain.
It's much more than straight line speed. I think a 35i is probably much faster day to day, in town, onto motorways etc, and tuned with an easy upgrade chip massively faster. In fact I think a lot of the modern cars with their turbos are as quick, easily quicker with tune and more useable
But there is no way I would swap the M for an E89 in any guise/state of tune. There is a lot more to an M than power and speed. It's the rawness, experience, uniqueness, specialness, noise, feeling.
I'd rather have an M coupe (z3) over an E89, I'd rather have an E39 M over an E89, I'd rather have an E46 M over an E 89, etc etc
By the way I'm not denigrating E89s - I know they are very good cars just not something for me
I suspect that as the OP is considering this very dilemma then he has an already made the decision in his head but it hasn't consciously been realised yet! M is calling. . . .
But there is no way I would swap the M for an E89 in any guise/state of tune. There is a lot more to an M than power and speed. It's the rawness, experience, uniqueness, specialness, noise, feeling.
I'd rather have an M coupe (z3) over an E89, I'd rather have an E39 M over an E89, I'd rather have an E46 M over an E 89, etc etc
By the way I'm not denigrating E89s - I know they are very good cars just not something for me
I suspect that as the OP is considering this very dilemma then he has an already made the decision in his head but it hasn't consciously been realised yet! M is calling. . . .
No.
In your case, I'm not sure if there is a case. Your car isn't very reliable.
Ours is brand new and under warranty. We probably won't keep it past the end of the PCP. The e89 is a better (more comfortable) everyday car than a Z4M. Before we bought the e89, I was leaning towards finding a clean e85 2.5i or 3.0i. The lease deal clinched it for us though.
My biggest single complaint about the e89 is it isn't as much fun to drive as it should be.
Next car we will probably go all the way to full impractical but more fun. If I was buying today, it would be this bargain --> http://pistonheads.co.uk/sales/3927001.htm
If it was a better colour, we'd be looking at it this weekend.
Maniac said:
In your case, I'm not sure if there is a case. Your car isn't very reliable.
Ours is brand new and under warranty. We probably won't keep it past the end of the PCP. The e89 is a better (more comfortable) everyday car than a Z4M. Before we bought the e89, I was leaning towards finding a clean e85 2.5i or 3.0i. The lease deal clinched it for us though.
My biggest single complaint about the e89 is it isn't as much fun to drive as it should be.
Next car we will probably go all the way to full impractical but more fun. If I was buying today, it would be this bargain --> http://pistonheads.co.uk/sales/3927001.htm
If it was a better colour, we'd be looking at it this weekend.
Andrew*Debbie said:
Perhaps you meant "Wasn't very reliable" as it is now just peachy thanks to lots of persistence... But then that's the risk you take with any car, one might be faultless, the next off the line could have lots of problems, and to be fair, you've not had your car long, and I hope you don't have issues, but its early days...
duncan-m-w
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Grass is always greener.... etc etc
All e89 owners test drove it before we bought it (shame on you if you did not), we knew what we were getting ourselves in for (improved interior and comfort, smoothed over driving dynamics) so we can't really be complaining. Yes, perhaps we made some compromises, but that goes for all cars.
I decided that 95% of the time, I want something that is comfortable, looks good and is a bit of fun. There are times when I wish it caned it round a roundabout a bit harder, but it is still more than competent and as it is never going to go anywhere near a track (I reserve that for other cars better equipped for the job), it is fantastic.
Relative to other people around the world, we are pretty damn lucky in life, if this is the sort of compromise we have to worry about.
All e89 owners test drove it before we bought it (shame on you if you did not), we knew what we were getting ourselves in for (improved interior and comfort, smoothed over driving dynamics) so we can't really be complaining. Yes, perhaps we made some compromises, but that goes for all cars.
I decided that 95% of the time, I want something that is comfortable, looks good and is a bit of fun. There are times when I wish it caned it round a roundabout a bit harder, but it is still more than competent and as it is never going to go anywhere near a track (I reserve that for other cars better equipped for the job), it is fantastic.
Relative to other people around the world, we are pretty damn lucky in life, if this is the sort of compromise we have to worry about.
I read this post with interest as I recently swapped my E86 M coupe for an E89 35is. I loved my M when I was in the mood, you just couldn't beat the sound, handling, power, looks and rawness - it was intoxicating. The trouble is, the opportunities to experience that, particularly living in London, were few and far between. Driving in traffic, on badly potholed roads with the backbreaking ride and heavy clutch used to grate on me after a while, and I started to feel like I needed to see a chiropractor and take a painkiller after a day of being in the car. Factoring in the cost of warrantys, tax, rear tyres e.t.c. just served to make it less attractive than when i bought it.
Some of you may know from the problems my 35is has had that it hasn't been smooth sailing for me since I switched, but even if my new car doesn't get fixed, I probably wouldn't get another M coupe. Yes the steering is a bit numb compared to the M, but I love the adjustability of the new car. It is easily as fast as my old M in a straight line, and I can cruise around in absolute comfort when I want to, or press a few buttons to lower the top and make the car handle better to suit my needs. It's also a bit cheaper on petrol and tax, and despite being worth more than my M it didn't do much to the insurance either. I am also a bit of a geek so love the new toys in the new car! Overall I can see that the new car is a lot easier to live with, and hopefully if mine gets fixed sometime soon, I can really see myself using it a LOT more, especially if this weather keeps up. Both are great cars, but they appeal in different ways.
If you are buying just to have a toy when the mood and roads suit, the M maybe perfect for you - I don't see you getting much better for the price they sell for these days.
Some of you may know from the problems my 35is has had that it hasn't been smooth sailing for me since I switched, but even if my new car doesn't get fixed, I probably wouldn't get another M coupe. Yes the steering is a bit numb compared to the M, but I love the adjustability of the new car. It is easily as fast as my old M in a straight line, and I can cruise around in absolute comfort when I want to, or press a few buttons to lower the top and make the car handle better to suit my needs. It's also a bit cheaper on petrol and tax, and despite being worth more than my M it didn't do much to the insurance either. I am also a bit of a geek so love the new toys in the new car! Overall I can see that the new car is a lot easier to live with, and hopefully if mine gets fixed sometime soon, I can really see myself using it a LOT more, especially if this weather keeps up. Both are great cars, but they appeal in different ways.
If you are buying just to have a toy when the mood and roads suit, the M maybe perfect for you - I don't see you getting much better for the price they sell for these days.
There aren't many that have come out of an M into an E89 on this forum so it was interesting to read Jelmok's views.
I think it just highlights that the E85/86 model although sharing the name with the E89 is in actual fact aimed at a different segment of the Roadster market.
I think it just highlights that the E85/86 model although sharing the name with the E89 is in actual fact aimed at a different segment of the Roadster market.