Which Computer System Do You Use?
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IMHO that as most people who use MACs also use some of the other side of their brain, it would make perfect sense that they would also appreciate the looks of the Zed cars more then others. If only 10% of computers sold are Macs and the poll shows higher than 10% Mac users owning Zeds it must be true 
discount the fact that a great number of homes use macs beacause they are easy to use and more businesses use PC's because of the Microsoft marketing strategies (that I hate ). Bill G is not the all time guru of computers, he is however a marketing genius...
discount the fact that a great number of homes use macs beacause they are easy to use and more businesses use PC's because of the Microsoft marketing strategies (that I hate ). Bill G is not the all time guru of computers, he is however a marketing genius...
2 points
1) interesting to see that there are no geeky Linux users who have admitted to this fact yet.
I had a brief fling with Linux during my PhD but didn't like the lack of intuitive access. I switched from pc to Mac during this time...mostly due to the halo effect of the iPod mini. But would never go back to pc now.
2) interesting to note that Godwin's law (analogies to nazi) has not yet been realized. This would suggest there is still some mileage in the apple vs Microsoft debate.
So adding to the debate, Microsoft has a history of market share mostly due to IBM and MS DOS - which was more widely available to self builders than apple that didn't allow it. So many companies emerged that were built entirely reliant on Microsoft operating systems and PC architecture.
It will be interesting to see what happens as technologies converge (a typically Darwinian evolution) and if the emerging species will be a hybrid or just one of them.
1) interesting to see that there are no geeky Linux users who have admitted to this fact yet.
I had a brief fling with Linux during my PhD but didn't like the lack of intuitive access. I switched from pc to Mac during this time...mostly due to the halo effect of the iPod mini. But would never go back to pc now.
2) interesting to note that Godwin's law (analogies to nazi) has not yet been realized. This would suggest there is still some mileage in the apple vs Microsoft debate.
So adding to the debate, Microsoft has a history of market share mostly due to IBM and MS DOS - which was more widely available to self builders than apple that didn't allow it. So many companies emerged that were built entirely reliant on Microsoft operating systems and PC architecture.
It will be interesting to see what happens as technologies converge (a typically Darwinian evolution) and if the emerging species will be a hybrid or just one of them.
braingirl, there are a few members here that access the forum using Linux which is why I included it. I also had a fling with Linux as well and moved away from it for the same reasons you did. I do have one laptop using Linux that I keep at my camper which I use just for web access which it excels at.
The thread had a long way to go I think before any invocation of "the law", which in itself is flawed.
Darwins law assumes though that life begets life, this is arguably true, though is still based on inference because we are basing everything on indirect evidence since we have not yet actively monitored species giving rise to new species in our lifetimes or in a lab.
Can his law be applied to physical, inanimate objects who's creation is sporadic and not necessarily based on any superseded object..? New devices are based on entirely new hardware, whilst the principles are the same, does that constitute evolution (change) or merely difference..?
Darwins law assumes though that life begets life, this is arguably true, though is still based on inference because we are basing everything on indirect evidence since we have not yet actively monitored species giving rise to new species in our lifetimes or in a lab.
Can his law be applied to physical, inanimate objects who's creation is sporadic and not necessarily based on any superseded object..? New devices are based on entirely new hardware, whilst the principles are the same, does that constitute evolution (change) or merely difference..?
I have heard the rumors that DOS was actually stolen/plagiarised etc by Bill from another system, also that the original windows syatem was "helped" by Steve Jobs, hence the MS support of Apple by making MS Office for MAC, a large cash influx to apple from MS and the simple fact that MS did not eradicate apple early on. rumors sometimes have a basis in fact, however small the fact is.......it kind of reminds me of the Beta/VHS thing, sony sold the rights to VHS after determining that it was of a lower standard than Beta..... and wouldn't allow cloning of Beta...sound familiar.?
No Darwinian theorems here folks, I'm strictly a Druid.
No Darwinian theorems here folks, I'm strictly a Druid.
PC for me. works with everything, plenty of suppliers (ie competition) means keen pricing on components and such. I find Apple stuff to be style over substance too - design focused rather than technology focused. 
They are branding supremos though. They way they choke off supply to heighten demand leading to people camping outside stores for the latest iwhatever is genius. I also find Apple fanbois to be a little tetchy in their rabid defence of Apple products - if you dare to critisise a product you are just an ignorant tw@t who doesn't understand.
That said, i wouldn't be without my iphone now.
They are branding supremos though. They way they choke off supply to heighten demand leading to people camping outside stores for the latest iwhatever is genius. I also find Apple fanbois to be a little tetchy in their rabid defence of Apple products - if you dare to critisise a product you are just an ignorant tw@t who doesn't understand.
That said, i wouldn't be without my iphone now.
daveyboy said:PC for me. works with everything, plenty of suppliers (ie competition) means keen pricing on components and such. I find Apple stuff to be style over substance too - design focused rather than technology focused.
They are branding supremos though. They way they choke off supply to heighten demand leading to people camping outside stores for the latest iwhatever is genius. I also find Apple fanbois to be a little tetchy in their rabid defence of Apple products - if you dare to critisise a product you are just an ignorant tw@t who doesn't understand.
That said, i wouldn't be without my iphone now.
I take your point, although I think the opposite about the tetchy thing... I find 99% of Mac users have used Mac's and PC's (on a daily basis) and most PC users have only ever used PC's (again, on a daily basis), yet dismiss Mac's as "overpriced", "style over substance" etc... I admit there is an element of style over substance, the same way you could go 0-60 faster in a Ford Focus STi (or whatever they are called) than a lot of Z4's, but I know which I would rather have
PCs are a zero-sum game these days. Companies like Asus/Dell sell literally millions of units with the teeniest tiniest of margins. Macs on the other hand... Have you seen Apple's market cap?daveyboy said:PC for me. works with everything, plenty of suppliers (ie competition) means keen pricing on components and such. I find Apple stuff to be style over substance too - design focused rather than technology focused.
They are branding supremos though. They way they choke off supply to heighten demand leading to people camping outside stores for the latest iwhatever is genius. I also find Apple fanbois to be a little tetchy in their rabid defence of Apple products - if you dare to critisise a product you are just an ignorant tw@t who doesn't understand.
That said, i wouldn't be without my iphone now.
What does style over substance really mean? If you claim these machines are technically inferior to anything else in the market you need to do your research. Spec up a PC with the same hardware/software and you'll find the "Apple tax" isn't as big as some would have you believe. Sure they're more expensive than some of the crap on the market i.e. the rubbish plastic netbooks but then a Pagani Zonda is more expensive than a Ford Focus.
Apple choking supply is another urban myth that's spouted. It's frankly an intellectually bankrupt claim. It's obvious to even the most casual observer that demand is high enough without needing to resort to those kind of tactics. Apple launch across all markets within the shortest possible timeframe and you can only produce the items at a certain rate. There is going to be shortages it's simple logistics. The real "machine" is the hype surrounding the mystery of new products and the obviously controlled leaks of information that appear before they launch or are announced officially.
You have rabid fanbois on both sides. We don't seem to have that here yet so the discussion stays healthy.
I came close to being a linux fan at uni. I spent a summer working for Sun, and had the x86 Solaris binaries downloaded at home but never installed it in the end. I was using linux (red hat) quite a lot at home because we did a lot of unix work on the uni's PCs - mainly during an openGL course. In the end it was the Unix/Linux support (or lack of support) for a wide base of peripherals that killed me ever using it at home. Similarly I tried StarOffice/OpenOffice for a while, but I had a whole load of vb-macro abundant spreadsheets that wouldn't work outside of Excel. As a result I've never changed from Windows.
I still think in what's probably an old fashioned way now :- anything vaguely server like or requiring high reliability needs Unix, and for everything else there's Microsoft!
The two things that I think Apple are good for are firstly ease of use, and secondly bloody good marketing. There's not many products where people queue around the clock and camp out to get their hands on. And yet IMHO there's very little they've ever done which is truely a market first.
I still think in what's probably an old fashioned way now :- anything vaguely server like or requiring high reliability needs Unix, and for everything else there's Microsoft!
The two things that I think Apple are good for are firstly ease of use, and secondly bloody good marketing. There's not many products where people queue around the clock and camp out to get their hands on. And yet IMHO there's very little they've ever done which is truely a market first.
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sp3ctre said:mcbeee said:
Yeah, I wonder what he really thinks of Steve Ballmer?
I concede - one good reason to be embarrassed about owning a Windows OS
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lacroupade said:Whats good taste got to do with it?
I've never understood the appeal of a Mac (and I talk as an ex-IT business manager of 20-odd years experience) other than those instances where certain software packages either run better or were created with the Mac in mind. Other than that a Mac is a PC?
And don't get me started on Apple products. Style over Substance every time. I prefer my gadgets to work properly for more than ten minutes and also not be tied into whatever marketing wheeze Apple has on the go at the time....
So if you are uber-cool and wear a black polo-neck (which probably means you aren't LOL), get yourself a Mac, but Microsoft doesn't 'rule' 90% of the market for no good reason.
bang on there. Must admit I hate all this designy oh look at me i'm so cool Apple stuff. It really seems to be a lifestyle choice. However I do see the vast majority of graphics designer using them (but they're whole a bunch of style concious wakky baky bunch anyway) :lol: I use Linux (Ubuntu) on my PS3 un til the Bast**rds took out the "other OS" function. It was a complete pain to work with, purely in the sence that what is out on the web is tied in with the larger existing OS. Otherwise it was surprisingly good, fast, stable and FREE. PC at work XP pro on laptop (way out of date) + Blackberry on the phone. Other phone has Windows mobile. This cloud computing makes my new Blackberry or my friends I Phone 4 seem from the dark ages.