What was Rossi Thinking
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Marquez made 1st contact, yes rossi ran him wide but he was defending his lead, hard but fair imho, its racing, s**t happens 
So... Here's the link to the best shot of the incident, marquez hits rossi s knee which imo opinion he pushes out as a reflex, he's not even looking at him, you can see marquez gets on the gas and turns into him, headbutts his knee which he then pushes out, looks fair enough to me
http://youtu.be/5CnafvuTyFo
http://youtu.be/5CnafvuTyFo
Obviously a Rossi fan then.mr.tourette said:Marquez made 1st contact, yes rossi ran him wide but he was defending his lead, hard but fair imho, its racing, s**t happens
If you watched the whole race (I assume you did) the passing was tremendous by both Marquez and Rossi.
Marquez was riding like his usual self, backing it in to corners and taking any gap and sticking his bike through it.
Rossi took the humph as he wasnt getting his own way and deliberately ran him way wide, sitting next to him almost vertically on the corner, not even trying to take the corner himself and taking at least 3 long looks directly at him and staying right in his way.
Marquez finally turned in to try and make the corner and Rossi didnt give ANY room for him to go so Marquez touched Rossi and went down.
How far would Rossi actually have ran on before heading for the correct piece of track? Would he have just stayed beside him right off the track completely if Marquez hadnt gone down?
Rossis fault completely and shocking behaviour from a 9 times world champ.
I wouldnt be surprised if Rossi retires after this season, he should be embarrassed and ashamed of what he done.
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Yes I agree, Rossi's fault 100% and totally deliberate. I would have done the same thing under the situation. Old enemies and Marq was trying to piss off Rossi, letting Lorenzo past then blocking Rossi for obvious reasons. BTW as Marq lent back into Rossi, I think his brake lever hit Rossi's knee hence going down
Im intrigued to know why you think it was dirty riding, he defended his position, he ran him wide he wasn't pushed off track in fact he had acres of space, marquez chose to get on the gas and try to force past and made contact, unfortunately the camera angles during the race didnt show this, its only when you watch it back in slow mo at a proper viewing angle, my 1st thought was yes rossi was a bit out of order there, but after watching many clips the simple fact is it was a racing incident, 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other, 2 of the best in the business toughing it out and the result was that 1 rider came off worse as is usual in racing, mores the pity as it was blinding action until then 8)Smartbear said:mr.tourette said:Marquez made 1st contact, yes rossi ran him wide but he was defending his lead, hard but fair imho, its racing, s**t happens
That wasn't racing, that's dirty riding & a poor show :thumbsdown:
Just my opinion of course.
Rob
Anybody else would have been given the black flag,he didn't because he is seen as untouchable and Dorna want a full house at the final race of the season.
In the past Rossi mind games have put riders off,he tried again at the press conference prior to the race with Marquez,but all it did was to ensure MM went faster.
Rossi has history of similar moves Gibernau and Melandri come to mind.
In the past Rossi mind games have put riders off,he tried again at the press conference prior to the race with Marquez,but all it did was to ensure MM went faster.
Rossi has history of similar moves Gibernau and Melandri come to mind.
Nictrix said:Obviously a Rossi fan then.mr.tourette said:Marquez made 1st contact, yes rossi ran him wide but he was defending his lead, hard but fair imho, its racing, s**t happens
If you watched the whole race (I assume you did) the passing was tremendous by both Marquez and Rossi.
Marquez was riding like his usual self, backing it in to corners and taking any gap and sticking his bike through it.
Rossi took the humph as he wasnt getting his own way and deliberately ran him way wide, sitting next to him almost vertically on the corner, not even trying to take the corner himself and taking at least 3 long looks directly at him and staying right in his way.
Marquez finally turned in to try and make the corner and Rossi didnt give ANY room for him to go so Marquez touched Rossi and went down.
How far would Rossi actually have ran on before heading for the correct piece of track? Would he have just stayed beside him right off the track completely if Marquez hadnt gone down?
Rossis fault completely and shocking behaviour from a 9 times world champ.
I wouldnt be surprised if Rossi retires after this season, he should be embarrassed and ashamed of what he done.
yes i watched the whole race and qualifying and practise and all the other races...... Its racing, its a tough business and marquez has pulled plenty of stunts far worse than this in his meteoric rise, I admire him, i think he's a best thing to happen to the sport in a long time and yes Im a rossi fan, but Im a fan of marquez, jorge, cal, scott, dovi and bradders,hell i even liked stoner despite his incessant moaning, doesn't change facts, it was tussle, he had options on the track (seriously watch some replays and other camera angles) and chose to play hardball and came off worse, Im sure looking back vale wont be proud of how it panned out but embarrassed and ashamed... Really?I don't think either Marc or Vale has come away from this with any dignity to be honest.
Rossi will now be forever tarnished by this (it's different to the Stoner and Gibernau incidents) and it's such a shame because he has done a lot for the sport over the years.
I'm a Lorenzo fan btw
Rossi will now be forever tarnished by this (it's different to the Stoner and Gibernau incidents) and it's such a shame because he has done a lot for the sport over the years.
I'm a Lorenzo fan btw
I have watched it many times from all angles and with an open mind, I still have it recorded.mr.tourette said:Nictrix said:Obviously a Rossi fan then.mr.tourette said:Marquez made 1st contact, yes rossi ran him wide but he was defending his lead, hard but fair imho, its racing, s**t happens
If you watched the whole race (I assume you did) the passing was tremendous by both Marquez and Rossi.
Marquez was riding like his usual self, backing it in to corners and taking any gap and sticking his bike through it.
Rossi took the humph as he wasnt getting his own way and deliberately ran him way wide, sitting next to him almost vertically on the corner, not even trying to take the corner himself and taking at least 3 long looks directly at him and staying right in his way.
Marquez finally turned in to try and make the corner and Rossi didnt give ANY room for him to go so Marquez touched Rossi and went down.
How far would Rossi actually have ran on before heading for the correct piece of track? Would he have just stayed beside him right off the track completely if Marquez hadnt gone down?
Rossis fault completely and shocking behaviour from a 9 times world champ.
I wouldnt be surprised if Rossi retires after this season, he should be embarrassed and ashamed of what he done.
No matter how you try to explain it Rossi deliberately ran Marquez way off line with no thought to his own lap time or progress in the race.
All he wanted to do in that corner was shut Marquez out.
Look back on races from previous years with Rossi and Lorenzo battling and swapping places, Rossi didnt give an inch and was extremely aggressive banging fairings but it seems as long as he comes out on top its just racing, when things dont go his way he says its time everybody rode carefully.
He still says Marquez was getting in his way, is he mad, its a bloody race, the other guys are supposed to try and get to the front.
I am not a Marquez fan by the way, an excellent and talented racer but a bit too wild and cocky I think.
I'm a Rossi and Marquez fan, but disappointed in both riders.
Marquez was playing silly bu&&ers with Rossi, and has a history of leaning on people. He tried similar on Rossi and has come off worse twice now. He made first contact with Rossi (from the 3/4 angle) as Rossi tried to run him out wide, a move which is illegal and not sporting, and Rossi stuck his knee out/had his leg knocked off (depending on what version you believe).
On the brake issue, all GP bikes have Rizoma brake guards to stop the brakes being applied in contact.
Race Direction decided that Marquez was deliberately interfering with Rossi (very un-sportsman like) but their is no rule to stop this. Rossi deliberately ran Marquez wide and he got punished for it.
What I was particularly annoyed at was Lorenzo complaining to Race Direction afterwards and the fact that Dani and Bradley who got great results had them over shadowed by unbecoming behavior from two great riders, who should know better.
Marquez was playing silly bu&&ers with Rossi, and has a history of leaning on people. He tried similar on Rossi and has come off worse twice now. He made first contact with Rossi (from the 3/4 angle) as Rossi tried to run him out wide, a move which is illegal and not sporting, and Rossi stuck his knee out/had his leg knocked off (depending on what version you believe).
On the brake issue, all GP bikes have Rizoma brake guards to stop the brakes being applied in contact.
Race Direction decided that Marquez was deliberately interfering with Rossi (very un-sportsman like) but their is no rule to stop this. Rossi deliberately ran Marquez wide and he got punished for it.
What I was particularly annoyed at was Lorenzo complaining to Race Direction afterwards and the fact that Dani and Bradley who got great results had them over shadowed by unbecoming behavior from two great riders, who should know better.
Nictrix said:I have watched it many times from all angles and with an open mind, I still have it recorded.mr.tourette said:Nictrix said:
No matter how you try to explain it Rossi deliberately ran Marquez way off line with no thought to his own lap time or progress in the race.
All he wanted to do in that corner was shut Marquez out.
Look back on races from previous years with Rossi and Lorenzo battling and swapping places, Rossi didnt give an inch and was extremely aggressive banging fairings but it seems as long as he comes out on top its just racing, when things dont go his way he says its time everybody rode carefully.
He still says Marquez was getting in his way, is he mad, its a bloody race, the other guys are supposed to try and get to the front.
I am not a Marquez fan by the way, an excellent and talented racer but a bit too wild and cocky I think.
I get what your saying bud, i guess we all see things are differently, imo yes it was a deliberate block but fair, he wasnt run off track, it was tough racing but rossi was letting him know he wasn't going to be steam rollered out of the way, rossi hardly came out better off its probably cost him the title but i still think it was just racing, its only controversial because of what happened in the press conference last week, if it happened anywhere else on track between 2 other riders it would be forgotten about by now... agree to disagee
:wink:Here's my twopence worth ....... from someone who has raced all his life ........
Rossi was in front, he knew Marquez was coming and he did what hundreds of racers have done before ...... he deliberately went wide with the intention of making Marquez back off (slow down) or run off the track, he stuck his knee out which is all part of making yourself as wide as possible .... at this point, its all pretty standard stuff and happens all the time especially when the following rider is pissing you off.
Marquez being Marquez, kept on the gas and decided to come through ............ at this point he is still behind so officially whatever line Rossi is taking, is his .......... Rossi stuck his knee out, which again is standard stuff to make yourself as wide as possible and intimidate the bloke behind into backing off ........ Marquez came past so close that he contacted Rossi's knee and lost the front end, Rossi's foot came off the peg with the contact.
There is no question that Marquez was at fault .......... however, Rossi, definitely looked back, of that there is no doubt, so there is also no doubt that he timed the going wide maneuver to force Marquez off the track ...... and for that Rossi gets a sanction, that's in the Rules.
Getting run off the track by faster riders when you are in their way happens all the time, its one of Marquez's best talents ..... he has run loads of other riders off the track ...........
If the rules were applied fairly, Rossi would be sanctioned for a deliberate move to force someone off the track ....... if he hadn't look back to get the timing right, he would have gotten away with it, and ........... Marquez would be sanctioned for his dangerous overtakes .... (if you overtake somebody so closely that you touch them ...... that's dangerous overtaking......... )
Add to all that ....... the media interest ........ and the fact that everyone has an opinion ........ race direction have a hard job.
............... and finally, its pretty standard etiquette in racing, that in a championship fight like this, the riders that are not in contention will get out of the way of the riders fighting for the title .......... there is no question that Marquez was not ever going to abide by this unwritten rule and he was going to teach Rossi a lesson after all the verbals that went on during qualifying.
Conclusion ............ Marquez was behaving like a 125cc rider, ie like a young kid, and Rossi was well pissed off, and he is Italian ...... under the circumstances its a wonder that no one got hurt.
I honestly believe that if Marquez had tried that with Lorenzo, Lorenzo would have done the same, I have no doubt at all that if he had done it to Crutchlow ...... he would have got the same treatment and a smack in the gob after the race ........
Rossi was in front, he knew Marquez was coming and he did what hundreds of racers have done before ...... he deliberately went wide with the intention of making Marquez back off (slow down) or run off the track, he stuck his knee out which is all part of making yourself as wide as possible .... at this point, its all pretty standard stuff and happens all the time especially when the following rider is pissing you off.
Marquez being Marquez, kept on the gas and decided to come through ............ at this point he is still behind so officially whatever line Rossi is taking, is his .......... Rossi stuck his knee out, which again is standard stuff to make yourself as wide as possible and intimidate the bloke behind into backing off ........ Marquez came past so close that he contacted Rossi's knee and lost the front end, Rossi's foot came off the peg with the contact.
There is no question that Marquez was at fault .......... however, Rossi, definitely looked back, of that there is no doubt, so there is also no doubt that he timed the going wide maneuver to force Marquez off the track ...... and for that Rossi gets a sanction, that's in the Rules.
Getting run off the track by faster riders when you are in their way happens all the time, its one of Marquez's best talents ..... he has run loads of other riders off the track ...........
If the rules were applied fairly, Rossi would be sanctioned for a deliberate move to force someone off the track ....... if he hadn't look back to get the timing right, he would have gotten away with it, and ........... Marquez would be sanctioned for his dangerous overtakes .... (if you overtake somebody so closely that you touch them ...... that's dangerous overtaking......... )
Add to all that ....... the media interest ........ and the fact that everyone has an opinion ........ race direction have a hard job.
............... and finally, its pretty standard etiquette in racing, that in a championship fight like this, the riders that are not in contention will get out of the way of the riders fighting for the title .......... there is no question that Marquez was not ever going to abide by this unwritten rule and he was going to teach Rossi a lesson after all the verbals that went on during qualifying.
Conclusion ............ Marquez was behaving like a 125cc rider, ie like a young kid, and Rossi was well pissed off, and he is Italian ...... under the circumstances its a wonder that no one got hurt.
I honestly believe that if Marquez had tried that with Lorenzo, Lorenzo would have done the same, I have no doubt at all that if he had done it to Crutchlow ...... he would have got the same treatment and a smack in the gob after the race ........
teamemmenracing said:
Absolutely spot on
I saw it differently. Rossi at fault for the whole incident, a dirty, dangerous and stupid action.
Mr mind games finally became a victim of his own doing.
All the hard racing between MM and VR leading up to the kick was fair and at times aggressive from both parties. VR just lost the plot.
Mr mind games finally became a victim of his own doing.
All the hard racing between MM and VR leading up to the kick was fair and at times aggressive from both parties. VR just lost the plot.
It really does depend on who you are rooting for.
Marquez went past Rossi on the entrance to the right hander on the outside. It was fast and close but very clean.
From there Marquez ran wide as he was on the outside.
Rossi slowed and stayed with him not letting him turn in and running him even wider.
While this was going on Rossi was looking almost sideways at Marquez making sure he was in his way.
Only after Marquez went down did Rossi carry on his merry way. 2 looks back just to assess the damage probably while laughing.
The best view is from the helicopter which shows that Rossi did not kick Marquez just ran him wide.
Teamemmenracing, in all your racing years when you are going round a corner even if running someone wide would your eyes be on the guy next to you or on the apex you are aiming for?
Marquez went past Rossi on the entrance to the right hander on the outside. It was fast and close but very clean.
From there Marquez ran wide as he was on the outside.
Rossi slowed and stayed with him not letting him turn in and running him even wider.
While this was going on Rossi was looking almost sideways at Marquez making sure he was in his way.
Only after Marquez went down did Rossi carry on his merry way. 2 looks back just to assess the damage probably while laughing.
The best view is from the helicopter which shows that Rossi did not kick Marquez just ran him wide.
Teamemmenracing, in all your racing years when you are going round a corner even if running someone wide would your eyes be on the guy next to you or on the apex you are aiming for?
