What else would you get?

derin100

derin100

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Kind of day dreaming but...

Today I was thinking: "What would I get instead of my Z4MR?" and decided to explore the idea of a 997 Gen II Carrera. I had a brief browse in the PH Classifieds and just as an example...

A 2010 3.6 Carrera with 54K miles is around £40k and has 345 bhp. So that's roughly the same as my Z4M, has more miles on it and would cost me roughly £25K more! :(

I'm struggling to reconcile that £25K extra. Is there a coherent argument that can be put forward to justify it?
 
It's difficult to justify. Yes the 997 is a better car but it ain't more than twice as good. It's the dilemma a lot of zed owners face, where do you go from here without breaking the bank
 
Never understood 911's. Nice cars but no more than many others, so why people pay a premium is beyond me. Decent engineering and heritage, made full use of by the marketing dept I guess. :tumbleweed:
 
A lot on here seem to like 911s!

But for me the real appeal of the Z4 is having the engine at the front, drive from the rear and a manual gearbox - which only seems to leave an F-Type as a possible option! Or maybe a Supra when they come out (I like a roof). :lol:
 
derin100 said:
Kind of day dreaming but...

Today I was thinking: "What would I get instead of my Z4MR?" and decided to explore the idea of a 997 Gen II Carrera. I had a brief browse in the PH Classifieds and just as an example...

A 2010 3.6 Carrera with 54K miles is around £40k and has 345 bhp. So that's roughly the same as my Z4M, has more miles on it and would cost me roughly £25K more! :(

I'm struggling to reconcile that £25K extra. Is there a coherent argument that can be put forward to justify it?
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The extra £25k is because of this :-

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Mr Tidy said:
A lot on here seem to like 911s!

But for me the real appeal of the Z4 is having the engine at the front, drive from the rear and a manual gearbox - which only seems to leave an F-Type as a possible option! Or maybe a Supra when they come out (I like a roof). :lol:
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F-Type is an interesting alternative shout indeed!
 
markalp said:
derin100 said:
Kind of day dreaming but...

Today I was thinking: "What would I get instead of my Z4MR?" and decided to explore the idea of a 997 Gen II Carrera. I had a brief browse in the PH Classifieds and just as an example...

A 2010 3.6 Carrera with 54K miles is around £40k and has 345 bhp. So that's roughly the same as my Z4M, has more miles on it and would cost me roughly £25K more! :(

I'm struggling to reconcile that £25K extra. Is there a coherent argument that can be put forward to justify it?
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The extra £25k is because of this :-

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Yes, I can't help thinking that too.

Also, what a bargain Z4Ms really are at the moment!

I was just visiting a friend of mine yesterday who has just taken delivery of his brand new 911 Turbo S. (That's what got me thinking).

A beautiful car...but £156K! :cry: :o
 
Mr Tidy said:
A lot on here seem to like 911s!

But for me the real appeal of the Z4 is having the engine at the front, drive from the rear and a manual gearbox - which only seems to leave an F-Type as a possible option! Or maybe a Supra when they come out (I like a roof). :lol:
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F-type is heavy but a lovely car to drive apparently. The Supra won't have a manual gearbox from what I could see, if the FT-1 prototype was anything to go by.

I was looking for a 991 C2S, when I came across my Cayman with 7.5k miles on it, £20k less and 90% if not more of the car.

I must admit, I have fallen in love with the Cayman but even this hasn't allowed me to let the M go. Different cars and although there is a substantial difference in value, there is also 7 years between the two cars and it shows. The interior of the Cayman is so much more modern but the M feels "old school" and that has its appeal.

I think you will struggle to beat an M for value for money but sometimes, if you can afford it, you should try others. I did 9 years in Toyota Supras and boy to I regret not moving on earlier.

H.
 
Mr Tidy said:
But for me the real appeal of the Z4 is having the engine at the front, drive from the rear and a manual gearbox - which only seems to leave an F-Type as a possible option! Or maybe a Supra when they come out (I like a roof). :lol:
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Have to agree with your sentiments here. My heart told me to buy a Mazarati Spider, or a Tuscan, when I bought the MR. Fortunately my head makes the decisions. :thumbsup:
 
I think the 80/20 approach applies pretty well to cars!

My 325ti cost about 20% of what I paid for my Z4C, but it delivers about 80% of the fun! Despite that I'm happy paying the premium for the extra performance my Z4C delivers. :lol:

But my Z4C is probably worth about 50% of what an MC would cost, and at that point I start to struggle - would an M really deliver twice the fun? But maybe I am being limited by my budget. :lol:
 
Mr Tidy said:
I think the 80/20 approach applies pretty well to cars!

My 325ti cost about 20% of what I paid for my Z4C, but it delivers about 80% of the fun! Despite that I'm happy paying the premium for the extra performance my Z4C delivers. :lol:

But my Z4C is probably worth about 50% of what an MC would cost, and at that point I start to struggle - would an M really deliver twice the fun? But maybe I am being limited by my budget. :lol:
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Yes, I think in terms of Bang for Bucks a 3.0Si is actually quite difficult to beat.

And, I think I've shelved the 997 notion now...possibly permanently after reading some of the other suggestions.
 
derin100 said:
Kind of day dreaming but...

Today I was thinking: "What would I get instead of my Z4MR?" and decided to explore the idea of a 997 Gen II Carrera. I had a brief browse in the PH Classifieds and just as an example...

A 2010 3.6 Carrera with 54K miles is around £40k and has 345 bhp. So that's roughly the same as my Z4M, has more miles on it and would cost me roughly £25K more! :(

I'm struggling to reconcile that £25K extra. Is there a coherent argument that can be put forward to justify it?
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I think many 7-10yr old 911s are for sale a long time & very much like ZMs have held & even risen in values the last few years , i know when i was looking at gen1 997s 3-4 years ago they bottomed out around £18k /£20k . That would get you a 05 plate 85k C2 C2s but now you would need to pay 25-30% more for the same year cars .
As for 997 gen2s at £40k for a 50k 10 plate with 345bhp :cry: just makes my 10 plate 50k 35i a performance car bargain circa £15k :driving:
 
Only thing I'd really consider to replace my Z4mR would be a Lotus Elise, similar to this:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201801162799342?postcode=gl115db&model=ELISE&year-from=2002&sort=price-asc&make=LOTUS&radius=1500&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&page=1
 
What about the new Renault Alpine?
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/alpine/92552/new-alpine-a110-price-2018-release-date-video-and-full-details

Or for 20k less a low mileage 996 C4S?
 
Since when can you apply any sort of logic as to the value though. Performance wise? A Golf would outperform many (older) super cars but for these type of cars it is a heart thing.

Comparing a 911 price wise to a M makes no sense. I have (had) both and Mrs PVR didn’t like the M much as it was hard like a rock. The 911 she loves on the other hand as with the British roads, the M would make each defect feel like you hit a curb whilst the bigger 911 glides over that.

I do like the fact that you drive something a bit more special. You can’t put a monetary value on that.
 
Similar position here - there is very little to swap to. My Coupe is my only (roadworthy) car, and although it only really does weekend duty, a lot of it is on the motorway, so although I like them I don't know about the Elise. Then there's the issue of going from a 3.0 straight six to a small four pot. I'd miss the noise.

The Cayman S also appeals, but even then I'd be looking at putting a few ££££ in for something comparable in terms of spec / mileage to mine, and I just don't see where the money would be going. 996 Carreras are similar.

The 370Z doesn't seem that fast for what it is, and then there's the GT86, which I'd want to supercharge at least.

And to be honest, living where I do in footballer's wives country, there's only the Elise out of that lot that would turn heads like the E86 does. Can't see me selling it anytime soon.
 
Tcochrane92 said:
Only thing I'd really consider to replace my Z4mR would be a Lotus Elise, similar to this:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201801162799342?postcode=gl115db&model=ELISE&year-from=2002&sort=price-asc&make=LOTUS&radius=1500&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&page=1
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A lot of people rate the Elise S higher than the R for road use, it’s got slightly more torque & a 5 speed box so it’s less “busy” and doesn’t require revving to the stratosphere :o
Rob
 
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