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There needs to be honest comparisons made on long term ownership between similar electric cars and diesel/petrol cars.
By that I mean what is the cost for someone to buy/run/sell an electric car for 50,000 miles versus a diesel/petrol car.
Also if there is any way to calculate costs over the lifetime of each vehicle including recycling at the end of life.
Everything we are told is petrol/diesel bad, electric good. It cant be as clear cut as that.
By that I mean what is the cost for someone to buy/run/sell an electric car for 50,000 miles versus a diesel/petrol car.
Also if there is any way to calculate costs over the lifetime of each vehicle including recycling at the end of life.
Everything we are told is petrol/diesel bad, electric good. It cant be as clear cut as that.
Nictrix said:
Completely skewed by taxation. In my case the EV is so much cheaper by paying for it using my gross income rather than post tax, and with a bic of 1% it is a fraction of the cost if I was to buy a petrol or diesel.
Not to mention the cash back from selling my private car.
Now before I start I have to admit I am not very bright, but I do think a lot and pay attention to stuff I see and hear. So here is where I see the whole EV/ hydrogen vs electric/ wind power/ wave power/ renewables/ carbon capture/ net zero stuff:
IT IS ALL BOLLOX and a waste of time as we are at present.
Everything is being geared towards maintaining our social and economic standard of living whilst 'healing the planet'. Sorry but it ain't going to work doing it like that.
Governments don't give a feck (apart from looking good and being re-elected), the general public don't give a feck (because you can't change attitudes overnight, it takes decades if not generations). Business doesn't give a feck (apart from the very small sector that is making money from it).
The ONLY way we, as a race, can make a significant difference is by totally changing the way we live, work, and get around. That cannot happen in a short enough period of time, as humans don't like change and the cost would be too much.
All in my opinion, of course, but I seriously think we are doomed (if the Climate Change predictions are correct).
Done now!
IT IS ALL BOLLOX and a waste of time as we are at present.
Everything is being geared towards maintaining our social and economic standard of living whilst 'healing the planet'. Sorry but it ain't going to work doing it like that.
Governments don't give a feck (apart from looking good and being re-elected), the general public don't give a feck (because you can't change attitudes overnight, it takes decades if not generations). Business doesn't give a feck (apart from the very small sector that is making money from it).
The ONLY way we, as a race, can make a significant difference is by totally changing the way we live, work, and get around. That cannot happen in a short enough period of time, as humans don't like change and the cost would be too much.
All in my opinion, of course, but I seriously think we are doomed (if the Climate Change predictions are correct).
Done now!
The solution is simple - we need to stop procreating excessively, live our lives closer to home, and lose our aspiration to consume ever-more advanced technology such that existing devices become redundant. Human greed and selfishness lie at the root of the problem.
BMWZ4MC said:
Yep.
Just human nature making it a non starter.
If they were really serious about clean air they would just ban vehicles that couldnt justify a good reason to enter the city centres.
Once again, it seems perfectly OK to the authorities if you are able to pay your way out of any emissions responsibilities.
Once again, it seems perfectly OK to the authorities if you are able to pay your way out of any emissions responsibilities.
Agree totally; it's all a complete mockery.davep10000 said:
"You want to 'kill the planet?'. OK that will be £20 please.
"You want to kill these poor inner city children from asthma?" OK that will also be £20 please.
It's all bloody nonsense. My wife buys cherries (yes cherries, the fruit) during the Winter. They come from Chile.....on an aeroplane!!
Strawberries come from Israel when out of season....on an aeroplane!
AND both are packaged in about 1/2 litre of oil-based hard plastic packaging. AND both are tasteless varieties which have been grown to travel and keep well, to make many people lots and lots of money; nothing else!
I am not that old, but remember only having cherries and strawberries when they were 'in season' in this Country, along with other fruit and vegetables! We now have lettuce at Christmas!
There is no hope! Luckily only our great-grandchildren and beyond will suffer. :roll:
