Ulez

[sars]

This is laughable, it’s not a Labour thing at all, it’s a legal requirement for councils to improve air quality in built up areas where air quality is greater than PM2.5, which was detailed in the Conservative 2019 clean air strategy. Each council in these targeted city’s are required, again by the Supreme Court ruling, to reduce air quality levels as quickly as practicable.

But of course none of the mainstream right wing press want you to know that, stop, think and research

And it’s only the older dirtier vehicles that have to pay :!:

 

[Ole gits rule]

The issue is SARs that the air quality in outer London is below that level so this is just a tax grab by Khan - even Kier has now said it's wrong to be introducing it at this time.

If it started at a couple a quid a day and then built up there would be less complaints, its the fact that its £12.50 per day which is why people see it as a tax and those on good money have no issues they can afford the newer cars, the lower income families can't afford do it.

Just wait till they start seeing unemployemnt rise in outer London as it will not be worth working.

If the issue was that bad why not just BAN all cars that fall below the level but no let's make everyone pay as they cant afford a new car.

 

[ronk]

Whatever tax he applies, it won’t affect him!

He just calls for his updated armour plated Range Rover and support vehicles with crew to swoosh him into work.


He just happens to be Red, a Blue mayor would be exactly the same!

 

[sars]

[ref]Ole gits rule[/ref], Take Bromley, the greenest part of the new Ulez zones, in the councils own report and objectives, clear air plan 2020 to 2025, they state that there are areas where PM2.5 is often exceeded as is NOX.

As for Khan, his Range Rover is compliant, so no he doesn’t care at all

 

[Nanu]

A lot of polution in cities is not just from vehicles burning fossil fuels. Charging in ULEZ zones does not stop particulates from tyres which is just as harmful.

It is suggested that the cleanest cars, not subject to ULEZ charges are EV's but because of their increased weight, they go through tyres a lot quicker causing more particulates in the air.

If we want to improve city centre pollution, cleaner fuel such as Hydrogen fuel cells or synthetic fuels is the answer.

In London, Khan is just using income from ULEZ to bail out TFL (Again)

 

[MikeyH]

And again the poor loose out. Low income families that are struggling and working several jobs to survive and bring up a family can’t afford a new or second hand car ulez complaint car let alone a nice little Z4 Sunday play car like we can. Most pay high London rent and it’s fine for us to moralise about air quality and global warming but they are just trying to get through the day, week. Khan and his mates don’t give a dam about these people and never will. They need a break. Is this country still a democracy, I wonder.

 

[TitanTim]

Shows my ignorance, I hadn't realised ULEZ compliant cars have been out for years,

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/best-ulez-exempt-classics

I can still get that Countach and rest easy :lol:

Tim.

 

[smorris_12]

It would make sense if there was a taper to the pricing, as someone said earlier. As time goes by the older, non-compliant cars will naturally disappear from the roads. The number of non compliant petrol cars must be vanishingly small as they're all likely 20+ years old at this point.

Even non compliant Diesels are effectively over 10 years old, although that doesn't seem very long ago with how long lived cars are (my newest car is 17!)

I wonder what the price to change really is? Whenever that comes up it's always with an eye to buying a brand new car, which many will never do one their lifetime. But, say you lived in Uxbridge and had an E91 320d, would shifting to an E91 320i be that hard? I mean, I'm allergic to changing car unless it actually explodes, but is there much of a problem beyond the aggro?

There's probably a nice little business to be had buying London's non compliant Diesels and selling them far away.

 

[Dark Diggler]

Imagine if everyone starts to use 40 year old cars and vans in a city, no MOT or tax sounds great in addition to ulez free.
You would have a lot of very unsafe and suddenly over priced cars driving round (and breaking down frequently) belching the exact fumes they are trying to get rid of. The powers that be will then change the rules for classic vehicles and tax the s**t out of them too.

 

[Scubaregs]

My Audi A3 TDI costs £0 VED, yet it is not ULEZ compliant. Go figure.

As usual it's not been thought through properly, should be simple in that if you already owned the car before ULEZ was introduced there is no penalty. Should you choose to buy a non compliant car after the introduction then you have no complaint.

 

[ronk]

I think they moved the emissions criteria from co2 to Nox -
My daughters Diesel Golf £20 ved 102 g /km non compliant
My 335 Diesel £200 ved 145 g/Km is compliant

 

[MikeyH]

My Audi A3 TDI costs £0 VED, yet it is not ULEZ compliant. Go figure.

As usual it's not been thought through properly, should be simple in that if you already owned the car before ULEZ was introduced there is no penalty. Should you choose to buy a non compliant car after the introduction then you have no complaint.

Yes, that's the most sensible thing I have heard re ULEZ.

 

[Nictrix]

But, say you lived in Uxbridge and had an E91 320d, would shifting to an E91 320i be that hard? I mean, I'm allergic to changing car unless it actually explodes, but is there much of a problem beyond the aggro?

Who is going to want the 320d though.
The value is going to plummet and is only worth something to the person that owns it.
I swapped my non ulez compliant car for the equivalent compliant car and the cost to change was 20k.
Granted the old one was 2010 and the new one is 2018 but that was the same model car.

 

[sars]

All new petrol cars from 2006 are Euro 4 compliant and all diesels are Euro 6 compliant from late 2015. There is a scrapage scheme in place for those effected by the new ULEZ zones of £2k for cars that do not meet the standard, anyone claiming benefits or a child allowance is eligible. So can you buy a seventeen year old petrol car for £2k? Eligibility and amount of the scrapage scheme should be the actual debate not whether it’s right or wrong. Leave that to the scientists and health professionals, the guidelines for particulates and NOX levels are issued by WHO not the councils or government

 

[MikeyH]

I though scrapage schemes were only eligible if you bought a new car.

 

[sars]

No the idea is to take those older non compliant vehicles off the road by giving cash to those on benefit and those with a child allowance, not to encourage the sale of new vehicles, which was a government scheme a few years ago.

 

[Nanu]

My Audi A3 TDI costs £0 VED, yet it is not ULEZ compliant. Go figure.

As usual it's not been thought through properly, should be simple in that if you already owned the car before ULEZ was introduced there is no penalty. Should you choose to buy a non compliant car after the introduction then you have no complaint.

Yes, that's the most sensible thing I have heard re ULEZ.

Second only to scrapping ULEZ oke:

 

[Mr Tidy]

Yes, that's the most sensible thing I have heard re ULEZ.
Second only to scrapping ULEZ

Couldn't agree more!

 

[BeeEmm]

I walked along the Embankment in London the other day (next to the Thames) and could easily smell the putrid emissions from vehicles. Very noticeable. I am in full agreement that we must do something to eliminate these toxic fumes. For me, Euro 7 cannot come soon enough and we need to eliminate the 'old' pollutants.

 

[Mr Tidy]

London smells pretty good to me these days!

I remember the smog of the 60s and travelling on the Tube in the 70s/80s - all disgusting if you blew your nose when you got home.

Are any Z4s Euro 7 compliant anyway? Or do you want a Z4 ban in London? Or are you on the wrong forum?