Tyranny in Aus

[Scubaregs]

Let's be honest here, it is a bit galling that all these people with a bad cold have taken up hospital beds, demanded to be sedated, intubated and put on a ventilator and when they realize it is after all only a bad cold, have the temerity to die rather than admit they were wrong.

Poor form indeed.

 

[ronk]

Let's be honest here, it is a bit galling that all these people with a bad cold have taken up hospital beds, demanded to be sedated, intubated and put on a ventilator and when they realize it is after all only a bad cold, have the temerity to die rather than admit they were wrong.

Poor form indeed.

 

[Flyingfifer]

Covid killed about 48k people in 2020
In England and Wales the flu/phnemonia killed about 29.5k people in 2018 and 26.5k people in 2019 (that's with a flu vaccine being offered to those most at risk) There isnt a figure I could find for Scotland (deaths shown as "Winter deaths" rather than flu deaths and the number is into the 23k mark which is way too much for just the flu I assume) best guess is likely 2k a year (based on a 3 month figure of 800+ deaths from flu)

In the last 6 months, there have been a bit short of 16k deaths from covid, likely thanks to those at the highest risk being vaccinated.

to date, 9,720,000million cases of covid in the UK
to date, 143,799 deaths from covid in the UK
1.479% death rate and thats not even looking at the age breakdown where the vast majority of deaths are in the over 50s, and doesnt factor in the significant drop that should be seen with the vaccination of those at risk.

Young people may not get any symptoms at all, the broad consensus is that its a "bad cold" for those under 40.

You want a vaccine, go for it, totally support you, if you're old and at risk Id absolutely encourage it but please dont be a fucking idiot and think that anyone else's vaccine status is any of your business never mind the fact that it doesn't even impact you.
But alas, here I am putting time and effort into giving real facts and figures to inevitably be hit with some moronic "huRdUr aNtIvAxXeR" patter
Roll on the Democratic People's Republic of Britain. :roll:

 

[Mr Tidy]

Roll on the Democratic People's Republic of Britain.

I'm not sure you'd like it if it was actually democratic - you'd probably find yourself in the minority!

But seeing as we all have a choice now I'd say things are already pretty democratic.

 

[ronk]

"huRdUr aNtIvAxXeR"

What’s that in English please?

 

[Dave1971]

Oh god not this s**t AGAIN

Can we just lock this thread now and save the 30 pages of regurgitated arguments we’ve had on all the other threads that mention COVID-19.

 

[Flyingfifer]

Oh god not this s**t AGAIN

Can we just lock this thread now and save the 30 pages of regurgitated arguments we’ve had on all the other threads that mention COVID-19.

Dont like, dont read

 

[PerryGunn]

This thread started about Australia - but another 'Aus', Austria, is introducing mandatory vaccination from 1 February

No mention of what will happen if anyone refuses for anything other than legitimate medical reasons but I wonder if the 'vaccine hesitant' will take fines, prison or loss of employment instead of the vaccine...?

The majority is always sane - In the Kingdom of The Blind, the One-Eyed Man is a heretic...

 

[pvr]

Same as currently happens with children that do not have a measles jab. Exclusion from school.

Small step to exclusion from public venues, pubs, restaurants and only working from home etc etc

 

[Nanu]

Let's be honest here, it is a bit galling that all these people with a bad cold have taken up hospital beds, demanded to be sedated, intubated and put on a ventilator and when they realize it is after all only a bad cold, have the temerity to die rather than admit they were wrong.

Poor form indeed.

Amen to that

 

[Flyingfifer]

So the Australian military is now involved with transporting people to the new concentration camps for covid infection or covid "close contacts". Also the rights of people in Binjari and Rockhole to leave their property has been revoked and is not permitted unless for medical attention, in an emergency or if required by law. This action was taken with the context of there being a total of 43 cases in the whole Northern Territory between 9/11 - 22/11.

Sounds like there is definitely not any tyranny in Aus

 

[Deleted member 32480]

Just dropped into this thread to see what peoples thoughts are if there was anything said that might warrant me changing my mind as it's a little crazy down under at the moment.


Wow, [ref]Smartbear[/ref], anyone with a different opinion than you on here you have gone for the jugular. There is at least three occasions... Live and let live brother!

 

[rdgreen]

So the Australian military is now involved with transporting people to the new concentration camps for covid infection or covid "close contacts". Also the rights of people in Binjari and Rockhole to leave their property has been revoked and is not permitted unless for medical attention, in an emergency or if required by law. This action was taken with the context of there being a total of 43 cases in the whole Northern Territory between 9/11 - 22/11.

Sounds like there is definitely not any tyranny in Aus

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.....again.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/21/nt-communities-of-binjari-and-rockhole-in-hard-lockdown-as-covid-outbreak-expected-to-worsen

Seems reasonable to me....Indigenous people are far more susceptible to disease than the rest of the community. We could let them die, would that make you happy?.....and we are dealing with distances in the hundreds of kilometers in 45C heat...not 10km down the road with a hospital in every town. We need to call in the military for just about all disasters, natural or man made....that's one of the things we expect and they train for.

 

[rdgreen]

Ohh...by the way...
European covid deaths = 1,400,000+
UK deaths = 144,000
Australia = 1,948....mostly in Victoria who adopted the UK way of (not) dealing with it.
South Australian deaths = 4
Northern Territory = 0

 

[Flyingfifer]

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.....again.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/21/nt-communities-of-binjari-and-rockhole-in-hard-lockdown-as-covid-outbreak-expected-to-worsen

Seems reasonable to me....Indigenous people are far more susceptible to disease than the rest of the community. We could let them die, would that make you happy?.....and we are dealing with distances in the hundreds of kilometers in 45C heat...not 10km down the road with a hospital in every town.

So to clarify, everything I said is exactly right but I "have absolutely no idea" what I'm talking about? hmmmm ok then

They have brought in the military to transport people to the covid camp that have covid or have had close contact. That article you link states the exact same thing except its more friendly and nebulous "the Australian defence force has been called in to help with transferring positive cases and close contacts." They miss out the where in this instance.

This is being done for 8 cases with no new cases on Sunday and the North Territory Chief Minister said "more should be expected in Binjari and lockdown arrangements for nearby Katherine and Robinson River were likely to be in place for several weeks.".

Again everything I stated is accurate.

I was aware of the unique position of the Aboriginals have in terms of the virus and that is something that did mellow my disgust at the way Aus is going (as it gave some explanation to the extreme reaction to single digit cases), but to wholesale strip the people in those communities of their freedom and using the military to "transfer" people to camps if they are suspected of covid is still tyranny. :thumbsdown:

 

[rdgreen]

You are a complete and utter w***er. Get a life instead of spending all day finding some one to argue with.

 

[Flyingfifer]

You are a complete and utter w****r. Get a life instead of spending all day finding some one to argue with.

That's the sound of someone who doesnt like being wrong

The fact is nothing I said was inaccurate and your own source confirmed that

Ohh...by the way...
European covid deaths = 1,400,000+
UK deaths = 144,000
Australia = 1,948....mostly in Victoria who adopted the UK way of (not) dealing with it.
South Australian deaths = 4
Northern Territory = 0

Your point?
Australia deaths to cases rate is 0.01 deaths/case
UK deaths to cases rate is 0.01 deaths/case

 

[rdgreen]

Your point?
Australia deaths to cases rate is 0.01 deaths/case
UK deaths to cases rate is 0.01 deaths/case

More valid comparison
UK 2,117 deaths/million population
Australia 75

 

[Flyingfifer]

More valid comparison
UK 2,117 deaths/million population
Australia 75

Again, your point?

Id rather live my life with a tiny bit of risk than be locked in my house for weeks and months because 4 people in the region get ill. :roll:

 

[john-e89]

More valid comparison
UK 2,117 deaths/million population
Australia 75

Again, your point?

Id rather live my life with a tiny bit of risk than be locked in my house for weeks and months because 4 people in the region get ill. :roll:

That's just your opinion, doesnt make it right, and not sure how helping people is tyranny....quite the opposite in fact. A !ow risk is still a risk and as RD said it's not as though there are hospitals with all the staff and equipment needed to look after them down the road. Sometimes folk need saving from themselves.