Tyranny in Aus

[BMWZ4MC]

Nationally, many tens of thousands people with two arms and two legs have died of covid for each covid death in a person with only one arm and one leg. If you want to survive the winter, it’s time to sharpen those axes and lop off some limbs chaps

Which is exactly why I took care to point out that the numbers involved are different.

Which in turn inspired my facetious comment (that also took some care)

 

[Nanu]

The trouble is the hospitals are full of antivaxers
Rob

Ignoring the demonising terminology, you're actually incorrect. SAGE themselves have confirmed that since June 2021 there have been more jabbed than unjabbed in hospitals. Though its only right to point out that there are far more people that are jabbed than unjabbed.

To be honest, as long as that Prof Ferguson is part of SAGE, they have no credibility. Not one prediction he has forecast has come anywhere near to be correct

 

[Nanu]

Well done Austria. The crackpots who suggest all sorts of crazy theories about the Covid-19 vaccine are the ones who are causing the problems in the NHS. The vast majority of people in hospital with Covid are unvaccinated and if you have the vaccine you are much less likely to end up in hospital.
Get the vaccine, open up society and the NHS will breathe a large sigh of relief as admissions fall and the exhausted medical staff can start treating the hundreds of thousands who are waiting for treatment.

Whilst I agree that the majority of those in hospital are unvaccinated, these figures must be viewed with care. How many of those in hospital with COVID actually are in hospital as a result of having COVID and how many are there for other reasons, and just happen to have tested positive or caught COVID whilst in hospital.

It's about time we stopped concentrating on case numbers and relied more on vaccinated and non vaccinated together with outcomes.

 

[Smartbear]

Nope, no misunderstanding or dishonesty here. “Some anti vaxxers are vehemently against all vaccines, some are sceptical of specific vaccines” https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer
Rob

More dishonesty. Really disappointed Rob.
The full quote "Some self-identified anti-vaxxers are vehemently against all vaccines. Some are skeptical of specific vaccines" also this is put in there by a person or persons and are not dictionary definitions but instead examples by users of the word in a sentence, additionally thats an American dictionary.

Cambridge
someone who does not agree with vaccinating people (= giving them injections to prevent disease) and spreads and encourages opinions against vaccines

Oxford
a person who is opposed to vaccination, especially a parent who does not wish to vaccinate their child because they believe it could be harmful

If you are seriously trying to say you dont accept that calling people "anti vaxxers" is an attempt to vilify them, I'm done, I dont have time to waste with that sort of bad faith stupidity.

I had no idea you were so touchy about being classed as an anti-vaxxer, feel free to argue with yourself
Rob

 

[r2uzenblot]

I like these dictionary definitions best from that well known and respected dictionary the Urban Dictionary.

anti-vaxxer
'Someone who discounts scientifically valid medical research pertaining to vaccines in favor of data produced by a discredited researcher.'

'Someone who thinks searching Google and reading blogs provides a better education than years of medical school, studying for board exams, and medical practice.'

'Opposed to the use of vaccines; despite the overwhelming scientific consensus that vaccines are safe and effective.
Will often resort to retracted and debunked research papers (some decades old) and conspiracy theories to back up their claims.'

That's the last word I am saying on the subject..............

 

[Bottom]

Sorry, I thought it was obvious. ICU is an Intensive Care Unit. The place very very sick people go.
So people who haven’t had the vaccine would seem to be the overwhelming majority who get very very sick with Covid. Hope that helps.

 

[Flyingfifer]

I had no idea you were so touchy about being classed as an anti-vaxxer, feel free to argue with yourself
Rob

Anti vaxxer is an insult, just like boy racer or chav or yob. So yeah I dont look on it favourably especially when its based on either complete dishonesty or a failure of understanding.

 

[Smartbear]

I had no idea you were so touchy about being classed as an anti-vaxxer, feel free to argue with yourself
Rob

Anti vaxxer is an insult, just like boy racer or chav or yob. So yeah I dont look on it favourably especially when its based on either complete dishonesty or a failure of understanding.

Based on what I’ve read on previous threads you’ve been very active on I’d say the majority of people found your anti-covid vaccine stance very insulting to the national effort. Any hurt feelings you have over an anti-vaxxer tag are pretty insignificant in comparison.
Rob

 

[Flyingfifer]

Based on what I’ve read on previous threads you’ve been very active on I’d say the majority of people found your anti-covid vaccine stance very insulting to the national effort. Any hurt feelings you have over an anti-vaxxer tag are pretty insignificant in comparison.
Rob

In communist UK everyone complies with the government, the government knows best.
get in the fkin sea

 

[Ewazix]

Nothing's perfect but when it comes to making critical choices I feel safer listening to a consensus from qualified and informed scientific experts, then applying common sense, rather than the ramblings of malcontents and paranoid nut jobs on the web.

.... Vaccines LOWER immunity? It's a control conspiracy? etc etc. Evidenced by what? :scratchhead: UK MP's can't keep a snog in a private office quiet without evidence making the press and at the other end of the scale WikiLeaks out some of the most dangerous regimes and cover-ups. But somehow an international conspiracy of thousands of medics, scientists and politicians (from competing camps) have kept the fiendish plan to control and deplete world populations under wraps? Get a grip FFS :roll:

 

[Flyingfifer]

Nothing's perfect but when it comes to making critical choices I feel safer listening to a consensus from qualified and informed scientific experts, then applying common sense, rather than the ramblings of malcontents and paranoid nut jobs on the web.

.... Vaccines LOWER immunity? It's a control conspiracy? etc etc. Evidenced by what? :scratchhead: UK MP's can't keep a snog in a private office quiet without evidence making the press and at the other end of the scale WikiLeaks out some of the most dangerous regimes and cover-ups. But somehow an international conspiracy of thousands of medics, scientists and politicians (from competing camps) have kept the fiendish plan to control and deplete world populations under wraps? Get a grip FFS :roll:

Yep those people are all nuts, the one I find most enjoyable is the "tracker chip" theory posted by people who carry smartphones everywhere

People who have concerns that the vaccine was rushed and has been subject to zero long term testing, has documented some very serious side effects (regardless of how rare they are) along with the reality that it is not a permanent or even lasting solution, does not prevent infection or spread of the virus AND that covid is not actually a threat to those people.. I think that's a perfectly legitimate concern.

 

[Smartbear]

It’s a good job our county’s not entirely populated by selfish cowards, we’d really be in trouble then!
Rob

 

[Nanu]

I had no idea you were so touchy about being classed as an anti-vaxxer, feel free to argue with yourself
Rob

Anti vaxxer is an insult, just like boy racer or chav or yob. So yeah I dont look on it favourably especially when its based on either complete dishonesty or a failure of understanding.

Based on what I’ve read on previous threads you’ve been very active on I’d say the majority of people found your anti-covid vaccine stance very insulting to the national effort. Any hurt feelings you have over an anti-vaxxer tag are pretty insignificant in comparison.
Rob

A famous quote by George Orwell (Which surprisingly is on a statue of him ironically outside the BBC of all places) "“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”

Anti vaxxers don't want to hear anything that suggests they are wrong and take offence when they are. Personally people can say what they want about me and I couldn't give a damn. As per the above quote.

 

[ronk]

I can see which way this post is is going

 

[rdgreen]

I can see which way this post is is going

This post went totally off topic some time ago....

 

[Mr Tidy]

This post went totally off topic some time ago....

Just like every other thread vaguely related to Covid. :roll:

I hope you can get back to some sort of normality in Oz soon.

 

[PerryGunn]

Anti vaxxers don't want to hear anything that suggests they are wrong and take offence when they are.

They do appear to think they're something special...

 

[Ewazix]

unvaxxedsperm.jpg "unvaxed sperm is the next Bitcoin"

Contrary to the recent quote from Elon Musk that "Crypto Isn’t ‘The Second Coming’" :wink:

https://www.dailyadvent.com/news/145720840adcd4f68fe30aef19009a38-Crypto-Isnt-The-Second-ComingTeslas-Elon-Musk-Issues-Serious-Bitcoin-Warning-After-China-Crashed-The-Price

 

[Flyingfifer]

It’s a good job our county’s not entirely populated by selfish cowards, we’d really be in trouble then!
Rob

Lmfao, you mean the selfish cowards that beg to give up the liberty and freedom so hard fought for by their forefathers just because they are absolutely terrified of a bad cold... I agree, thank god there are still some of us that have some functioning brain cells and are capable of independent thought.

Don't forget brother, ignorance is strength, freedom is slavery and war is peace.

 

[Nanu]

It’s a good job our county’s not entirely populated by selfish cowards, we’d really be in trouble then!
Rob

Lmfao, you mean the selfish cowards that beg to give up the liberty and freedom so hard fought for by their forefathers just because they are absolutely terrified of a bad cold... I agree, thank god there are still some of us that have some functioning brain cells and are capable of independent thought.

Don't forget brother, ignorance is strength, freedom is slavery and war is peace.

I suspect there are many in ICU beds that would disagree their symptoms are just like "a bad cold". And yes I am also speaking from experience.