goldbcfc said:Artful-Bodger said:Lighten up chaps,
one thing to consider when putting larger tyres on rims is the sidewall angle, ideally an 8" tyre works best on an 8" rim, I know some guys who run 180/530/13 (7") on 8" rims but they are slicks which work very differently to road tyres.
The Z4 fronts are 225 (circa 9") on 8" rims, ok for the road but as far as you want to go really, putting tyres wider than this on an 8" rim can result in the sidewall deflecting leading to less grip and more carcass distortion.
Balancing the car is a tricky business that needs experience, if for instance you are suffering understeer ideally you want to increase front end grip, however there are times when this is impractical so you end up reducing rear end to balance the car, overall less grip but better balance and more confidence which equals quicker times as your not understeering off into the kitty litter or swapping ends with a car that suddenly steps out on you!
If you need to reduce oversteer then again disconnect the rear anti roll bar or increase rear tyre pressure, the bar transfers weight to the outside tyre increasing it's work whilst reducing the work done by the inside wheel, it's literally dumping more and more weight onto the tyre, a tyre can only take so much load before you distort the carcass and increase the slip angle, resulting in the back end stepping out.
Dave makes an interesting point which shows the variation in tyres when load is applied, I would be interested to know what tyres Dave was using, I used Avon's on a Westfield for hill climbs and ran sub 20psi for nearly all events, but that car weighed in at 610kg, his Caterham being half the weight of a Z4 could run with lower pressures, the benefit of this is it allows the tyre to move more generating heat, the more heat (up to a point) the more grip.
The problem for heavy cars is the tyre is already moving too much so you have to stabilise the tyre, generating heat is not a problem when your hurling 1300kg about, but as I mentioned above, get the tyres working well and overheating becomes an issue with road tyres as the tread blocks move about, any of you guys who have done a lot of track work will be familiar with the feel when your tyres go off!
I just read this after posting other comment. Sorry I get wound up easily by people who usually comment with expertise knowledge but never actually tried track etc. These are same types of people at work who come unstuck with all their great how to do things when you pass them the tools to actually do a job. He knew damn wel what I meant just finds it good to point score about who knows more about understeer/oversteer....... really?
I've noticed a lot I track with use quite high walled fat tyres, Ive used 225/35/18 and 225/35/19 tyres squeeled a lot on the 19" but had more grip it felt than using the 18" maybe that was just added weight of them I don't know. I tried 17" ot for track but on road and didn't like it. The car felt like it would wheel spin far to easy and turning into corners felt too light. Yet again maybe im to used to running 19" on my Z4
The make and construction of the tyre will matter far more than it's diameter, you can have three different make tyres all the same size and they will all behave differently needing a different setup, one of which will suit the weight and geometry of the car and your driving technique.
We used to run Bridgestones on our 325 and one season splashed out on a set of Yokohama A008r's, unfortunately the RAC changed the list of permitted tyres in the blue book and we couldn't run them, so we ended up with a very expensive set of track day tyres, the car was superb on them, over 1.5 seconds a lap faster than on the Bridgestones, we were gutted , especially as we had spent all our cash, we ended up buying a set of Yokohama A539 off a guy we knew, nothing special but worth a try, and were well chuffed when we could lap within 1/2 a second of the A008r's, but that was on our car, the guy we bough them off had no luck with them at all on his Impreza!
The squealing by the way is the tread blocks moving around as the carcass distorts, sometimes what feels fast can be misleading, the stopwatch knows and tells all!