Toyota GT86
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That chris harris video is really unjustly biased towards the Toyota. He's a great presenter but....
Not everyone will apreciate throwing cars around on the road so thats not a selling point. (for me anyway) :thumbsdown:
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"if you buy the cayman with 77k miles it'll have worn bores" Scare tactics!!!
for £28k, you'll find a very low mile cayman!!!!
I should have stopped listening when he said the Toyota gets to 0-60 in 7.8 seconds.
I'd rather have an e89
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Not everyone will apreciate throwing cars around on the road so thats not a selling point. (for me anyway) :thumbsdown:
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"if you buy the cayman with 77k miles it'll have worn bores" Scare tactics!!!
for £28k, you'll find a very low mile cayman!!!!
I should have stopped listening when he said the Toyota gets to 0-60 in 7.8 seconds.
I'd rather have an e89
:lol:Test drove one of these in Inverness today. Great car. I find it funny the amount of narrow minded BMWesk comments from this thread, no one really is seeing it for the car it is trying to be. Z4m's were 47k brand new, massively over priced for what it is. These will depreciate after time and be a great buy for people who love jap cars 
it's a tribute to the old AE86, ok it's got a scooby engine but they're very tuneable.
it's a tribute to the old AE86, ok it's got a scooby engine but they're very tuneable.Adamski said:
But it's a Renault. Once it's done a few thousand miles it'll give a Gallic shrug and half it's bodywork will fall off. At least the Toyota (I like the car, just not the colour scheme in the OP) will be reliable...
Steve220 said:Test drove one of these in Inverness today. Great car. I find it funny the amount of narrow minded BMWesk comments from this thread, no one really is seeing it for the car it is trying to be. Z4m's were 47k brand new, massively over priced for what it is. These will depreciate after time and be a great buy for people who love jap cars
I think that's a little harsh Steve. Plenty of people on here on this thread (and previous ones on the same topic) have understood that this car is an attempt to produce a great fun, lightweight, rear wheel drive sportscar. That's to be applauded. I just think the car isn't value for money at £28k. At that price it needs more poke to be able to at least live with the s-Drive 20i/golf/scirocco/tt's of the world or it needs to be priced around an MX5. Aren't Mazda UK bringing out a more focused version soon? Sure I read about that and i bet that won't be £28k.
Judging by what 338bhp and 4.8 to 60 costs you now, I don't think the Z4M
was overpriced particularly. Look at what a TTRS, Boxster S and SLK AMG would've cost at that time - no change from £50k with a modicum of options box ticking.
I think what some people on here do not seem to be comprehending is..
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Its a useable 4 seat car thats 'fun'. That thing journo's chat about. And also that thing we talk about in here when we say how sterile porsches are compared to our M's.
Its
not
about
horse
power
per
pound
Its a useable 4 seat car thats 'fun'. That thing journo's chat about. And also that thing we talk about in here when we say how sterile porsches are compared to our M's.
That colour combo is yuk. The interior is yuk. I gahter the car is other wise a nice drice. It is certainly a little over priced. Let me put it simply that is the sort of money I would consider spending on a car these days and that is not one I would pick. 
May be when they stap on a couple of turbo's
May be when they stap on a couple of turbo's
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Oh believe me we do understand. What we don't understand is a £28k price tag.
But why is it so slow? I had a civic type R a few years ago. It cost £14k new so even factoring in inflation it was still well short of £28k in today's money. It had roughly the same bhp yet it was a lot quicker than this.
Toyota have stated they will not be doing a more powerful version so hopefully Subaru will strap a turbo to one. Although in saying that I'm not sure how successful that would be without a massive amount of work in other areas. In nearly every review I've seen the car has been travelling sideways in every shot, also the case in the TV ad. Don't really fancy taking my kids to school as they scream sheer terror looking out the side window at the oncoming traffic.
I'll drive it before I declare myself out however, on paper I don't see anything that convinces me. Not saying there isn't a market for it.
Toyota have stated they will not be doing a more powerful version so hopefully Subaru will strap a turbo to one. Although in saying that I'm not sure how successful that would be without a massive amount of work in other areas. In nearly every review I've seen the car has been travelling sideways in every shot, also the case in the TV ad. Don't really fancy taking my kids to school as they scream sheer terror looking out the side window at the oncoming traffic.
I'll drive it before I declare myself out however, on paper I don't see anything that convinces me. Not saying there isn't a market for it.
I think this car doesn't work in the UK. In Australia, the base model retails for $30k. Add about $3k for on road costs, which equates to roughly £22k? For that sort of money it's good value, especially in Australia where European cars are an absolute rip off compared to here. That explains why this car is such a huge success in Australia.
It's supposedly a very fun car to drive so I wouldn't bag it like some people do in this thread.
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It's supposedly a very fun car to drive so I wouldn't bag it like some people do in this thread.
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It's actually £24,995 on the road for the manual GT 86
Toyota's pricing for the integrated touch screen SatNav is getting more realistic at £750 which is pretty much the only option outside of metallic paint and leather seats.
I'm sure it will get a cult following with lots of aftermarket accessories being produced for it, but it's not a car that I would buy.
I still think the fifth gen Toyota Celica GT4 was a much better looking car than the GT 86.
Toyota's pricing for the integrated touch screen SatNav is getting more realistic at £750 which is pretty much the only option outside of metallic paint and leather seats.
I'm sure it will get a cult following with lots of aftermarket accessories being produced for it, but it's not a car that I would buy.
I still think the fifth gen Toyota Celica GT4 was a much better looking car than the GT 86.
Compare - (all figures from Parkers.co.uk)
Honda S2000. Price new £27,940. Let's ignore inflation for now. It had 240bhp, was quite a bit quicker with 0-60 in 6 secs, had LSD and was immensely fund to drive. It was a roadster too 8)
Let's now look at a Honda Civic Type R - new price c.£18k. Seats 4. 0-60 in 6.4. All in all, a good car for the money, and rather quick.
The Mazda RX8 was cheaper, and quicker. Never driven one, and know they burn more oil than petrol etc, but it was a good attempt.
The concept of having a fun to drive RWD car is great. But, with the Toyota.... £27k and 0-62 in 7.7 (or 8.4 for the auto) just doesn't float my boat.
But hey, it's slim pickings for a new RWD car that doesn't cost the earth, so perhaps we shouldn't be complaining
Honda S2000. Price new £27,940. Let's ignore inflation for now. It had 240bhp, was quite a bit quicker with 0-60 in 6 secs, had LSD and was immensely fund to drive. It was a roadster too 8)
Let's now look at a Honda Civic Type R - new price c.£18k. Seats 4. 0-60 in 6.4. All in all, a good car for the money, and rather quick.
The Mazda RX8 was cheaper, and quicker. Never driven one, and know they burn more oil than petrol etc, but it was a good attempt.
The concept of having a fun to drive RWD car is great. But, with the Toyota.... £27k and 0-62 in 7.7 (or 8.4 for the auto) just doesn't float my boat.
But hey, it's slim pickings for a new RWD car that doesn't cost the earth, so perhaps we shouldn't be complaining
As Tom said in another thread, a good 18 month old M3 fully loaded can be had for around 30k.
Very simple choice really.
This car would work in other parts of the world where the pricing makes more sense.
We're fortunate in the uk to have a massive choice of nearly new supercars for that price.
I'll patiently wait 18 months for this............. In silver
Very simple choice really.
This car would work in other parts of the world where the pricing makes more sense.
We're fortunate in the uk to have a massive choice of nearly new supercars for that price.
I'll patiently wait 18 months for this............. In silver
Rialas said:As Tom said in another thread, a good 18 month old M3 fully loaded can be had for around 30k.
Very simple choice really.
This car would work in other parts of the world where the pricing makes more sense.
We're fortunate in the uk to have a massive choice of nearly new supercars for that price.
I'll patiently wait 18 months for this............. In silver
Yes but how much is a "fully loaded M3" going to cost to run and insure! If this is a cheaper car to run and insure then it makes sense. I pay £2000 per year to insure my M, it costs me a £65 to fill it with VPower and I get about 200 miles to a tank, I use 2 sets of rear tyres a year at £500 per set and BMW charge me an arm and a leg to service the car, that's crap if I had to use it everyday! Which luckily I don't have to.
Don't get me wrong I love my car more than anything else in the world (except for the fiancé of course) but I am privileged enough to be able to afford to run it, others might not be and I can understand the need for balancing real world costs with fun.
Why did Colin Chapman not focus in BHP..? Why do lotus cars sell so well..? Because lightweight is fun and still quite quick. If the car costs little to run, is fun to use on the most mundane of roads without putting your licence at risk every time you put your foot down then why not..? I can barely extract more then 70% of the M on the public road because I will either go to jail, hit something very hard or injure myself and others, possibly all three. And sometimes, just sometimes that's frustrating...
I think Toy-Baru should be commended for trying to put something together that might actually work, sure it's not perfect but nothing in this world rarely ever is.
Rialas said:I'll patiently wait 18 months for this............. In silver
Gosh that Cayman looks rather lovely!!
RWD, 4/5 seats, practical, cheap(ish) to run??
The imminently available, rear drive M135i is £29,995 and is as practical as the Toyota, with decent MPG, sensible CO2 / road tax, and a 320hp straight six turbo, 0-62 in 5.1 or 4.9 for the (admittedly more expensive) auto. If the base Toyota is £25k, then yes the M135i is more, but in the scheme of new car purchases it's in a similar price bracket. Or the 4 cylinder 125i M Sport is £25.5k with 220hp, 0-62 in 6.5 and excellent running costs.
I don't like the Toyota interior, but as a 'lifestyle' sporty car that is RWD and family friendly you can easily see them selling.
The imminently available, rear drive M135i is £29,995 and is as practical as the Toyota, with decent MPG, sensible CO2 / road tax, and a 320hp straight six turbo, 0-62 in 5.1 or 4.9 for the (admittedly more expensive) auto. If the base Toyota is £25k, then yes the M135i is more, but in the scheme of new car purchases it's in a similar price bracket. Or the 4 cylinder 125i M Sport is £25.5k with 220hp, 0-62 in 6.5 and excellent running costs.
I don't like the Toyota interior, but as a 'lifestyle' sporty car that is RWD and family friendly you can easily see them selling.