To have or not to have

James_G said:
CAMELOT KNIGHTS said:
allpine99 said:
This post is about whether the OP could justify spending 20K On a BMW Z4M . . personally i could not justify spending 20K on the BMW its an outdated car with cramped cabin space with extremely high fuel consumption and depreciation is very high. The better alternative would be the PORSCHE CAYMAN S they are more desirable thus holding their price a lot better than the Z4M the engine is more advanced with 20K service intervals all round a better car and more importantly in this post the 20K Can be justifie
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i kinda agree but if i were to have one it would have to be an911
but the price on this z4mc £19.850 i can't make my mind up its a lot of money to me .tho i do love the car all original and hardly see one,theirs a 2009 z4 tintop by me going for £16.400 nice looking car and when you see things like that makes you think,but at the end of the day if its in your heart then price wont make a differance,at the moment im abot 85% gonna get it if i can
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Guys (presumably) I hate to be a pedant, but a little proof reading wouldn't go amiss. I can't make sense of either of your posts.

So who's car is worth £16,400 and who's is worth £19,850? Has anybody actually bought a car yet? Do either of them have sat nav? And can £20k be justified or not? Questions, questions.
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ok ok the bmw z4mc is £19.850 which as of a few minutes ago has just been sold :( :( :( :( :( :( :( i should of went with my heart but its in the pending process someone is getting it on the never never.so a very very slight chance .i dont feel to good :( :( :(
 
I was in Guildford VW at the weekend (in disguise) and enquired about an R32 that I had seen last week with a "sold" sticker in the window that was now back up for sale. Apparently sold to somebody who failed finance, so it does happen.

Who are these idiots people who go looking for and buying cars before they have the finance confirmed? I don't like car salesmen as a breed particularly, but that's a blatant waste of everyones time.

What your story tells us though is that people will pay for a nice Z4MC, which is reassuring, given it's just two weeks until Christmas. Shame you missed out.
 
Hi,
Don't be too down hearted - a quick look at PistonHeads classified and there are other Z4MCs around (not so many with such low mileage).
Here is one I would seriously look at (ahem - it is almost the same as the one I bought this Sept but with 32000 miles rather than 16500 miles - but it is also cheaper than the one I bought) and you'll have some money left over if you get it.

http://www.pistonheads.com/SALES/3435901.htm

Lots of kit and the leather dash. Loving the Imola Red with Champagne interior.
 
I took out a CaymanS and a BoxterS before I bought my MR. Both very nice cars but nothing like as much fun to drive as the BMW. Also came across a CaymanS at Spa this summer and it was noticably slower in a staight line, but smoother around the corners. If you want an easier drive it's the one to go for. I enjoy a reliable challenge, so I bought the MR. I say reliable as I also considered a TuscanS.
 
buzyg said:
I took out a CaymanS and a BoxterS before I bought my MR. Both very nice cars but nothing like as much fun to drive as the BMW. Also came across a CaymanS at Spa this summer and it was noticably slower in a staight line, but smoother around the corners. If you want an easier drive it's the one to go for. I enjoy a reliable challenge, so I bought the MR. I say reliable as I also considered a TuscanS.
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I also took out a Cayman S and I was disappointed that it felt as raw as it did. I was expecting it to be uber slick and smooth. We're all different I guess.

In the end it was what I wanted, but I couldn't justify the extra cost for a car that would have been older and, relative to an M, very under specced. Plus who could stand all the "it's a poor man's 911" comments. How tedious.
 
James_G said:
... Plus who could stand all the "it's a poor man's 911" comments. How tedious.
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The silly thing is that it really isn't a poor alternative to the 911. In many respects it's a far better car. I would wager that with equivalent engines, the Cayman would be far faster on a track than a 911. That's the problem - it could handle far more power than has been metered to it by Porsche for fear of threatening its big brother. That it is so well balanced leaves it a little too tame for my taste when compared with the visceral 11 tenths rawness of the ///MC at maximum attack.
 
allpine99 said:
This post is about whether the OP could justify spending 20K On a BMW Z4M . . personally i could not justify spending 20K on the BMW its an outdated car with cramped cabin space with extremely high fuel consumption and depreciation is very high. The better alternative would be the PORSCHE CAYMAN S they are more desirable thus holding their price a lot better than the Z4M the engine is more advanced with 20K service intervals all round a better car and more importantly in this post the 20K Can be justifie
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Troll alert :telloff:

As mentioned above allpine you're talking about the NEW Caymen S which is not in the same price bracket as the Z4 M. The old Caymen S was less advanced than the Z4 3.0Si Coupe.So a 2008 Z4M at say £20k vs 2008-9 Caymen S something like £35-40k (Im guessing, I cant be bothered to look). Personally I wouldn't consider an old pre-2009 Caymen S, it's not even as good as a Z4 3.0Si Coupe overall (I've owned a 3.0Si Coupe and did my research on both cars at the time - purchase price vs performance vs economy vs insurance vs servicing vs rarity = winner 3.0Si).

A Z4 M is not as common as hardly any Porsche, isn't that worth a fair bit of £££ to some? As the years tick by I wouldnt be surprised if they become a classic collectable. I think 20k for a Z4 M is a good price, but then I own one and know what kind of car it is.
As for cramped cabin. One reason I bought the Z4 Coupe was because actually I found it pretty spacious. I'm a thin lad but found an S2000 very cramped. The Z4 fits perfectly. I'm speculating here but judging by the nature of your posts you probably haven't sat in one or driven one ? Seems like repeating what has been said in some of the so and so reviews.
Also the fuel economy is not as bad as some think but you're right, compared to the NEW CAYMEN S(read different price bracket) yes I suppose it's now uneconomical. Compared to the old pre-2009 Caymen S it's not so bad when considering performance levels also.
BTW, some 1990 E30 M3's are advertised at £65,000. Waste of money I suppose right? Outdated, <25mpg, only 200-238bhp. Surely a Caymen is better value? Or do E30 M3's still today bring to the driving experience what many modern machines don't, for those who can afford them today? :)

Each to their own though. Agree, Z4 M not for everyone.
 
Evening Gents, good little thread.

FYI i actually put a deposit on the Z4MC yesterday lunchtime. If you want to know what i paid for it pm me. the car is in pristine condition and I love the colour combination. I actually quiet like the piano black trim as well.


A very interesting comparison to the Caymen. Well having owned a 996C4S for a year which i would class as far superior to the Caymen, Nice but not my bag. Porsches do cost an awful lot more to run than meets the eye.

The Z4MC is also ver rare and i believe will hold it's value better.
 
Skelts said:
Evening Gents, good little thread.

FYI i actually put a deposit on the Z4MC yesterday lunchtime. If you want to know what i paid for it pm me. the car is in pristine condition and I love the colour combination. I actually quiet like the piano black trim as well.


A very interesting comparison to the Caymen. Well having owned a 996C4S for a year which i would class as far superior to the Caymen, Nice but not my bag. Porsches do cost an awful lot more to run than meets the eye.

The Z4MC is also ver rare and i believe will hold it's value better.
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Well done :thumbsup: and yes it cost a small fortune to keep 996/997 tip-top...as well as poss coil pack problems, rear main seals, front rads, and the coil packs are a complete arse to change!!! You will miss the drive but that will be about it :o
 
I am not knocking the z4m i have had BMW's For the last 15 Years 323 328 330ci e46M3 all been fantastic cars . Yes i have driven both the z4 coupe and the z4m . . compared to the 2006 porsche cayman S the cayman was better car as in looks desirability class handling you but them both side by side there is no comparison . . yes they can be expensive but just as expensive as a z4 the porsche is the most reliable german car . . deep down you know the porsche is a better car .
 
I really like the Cayman but year for year and spec for spec there is a huge gulf in the prices, the Porker is significantly more expensive.
 
no there is not that much difference a 2006 porsche cayman S with Less than 30K on the clock can be bought for 20K . . i have driven both the cayman s is the better car in fact i would say its one of the best handling cars in the world .
 
allpine99 said:
I am not knocking the z4m i have had BMW's For the last 15 Years 323 328 330ci e46M3 all been fantastic cars . Yes i have driven both the z4 coupe and the z4m . . compared to the 2006 porsche cayman S the cayman was better car as in looks desirability class handling you but them both side by side there is no comparison . . yes they can be expensive but just as expensive as a z4 the porsche is the most reliable german car . . deep down you know the porsche is a better car .
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Yer having a larf :)

I agree in one way though. If I wanted a Z4 M Coupe like car BRAND NEW today yes I would get a BRAND NEW Cayman S as unfortunately it's really the only option .... BMW no longer compete in the same market segment.
 
This is my opinion i would not expect anyone on here to agree with me as this is a z4 forum lol if we had debate on a porsche cayman forum they would agree the porsche is better . The porsche cayman is better value for money and will hold its price a lot better thats unquestionable .
 
Hi, I've been a ghost member for some time now too! Bought my Z4M in August. Gong to start getting involved in things I can help with. My advice would be, if you are willing to pay that, then go for it! Low mileage! Saying that, you will get a nice one for a bit less if you look around, although the mileage will be higher but thats nottoo bad! Good luck with your hunt.
 
What's this poor economy cobblers?
For a 340 bhp car I think the economy is spot on.
My long term average is over 27mpg!
 
milu said:
My long term average is over 27mpg!
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Yer driving it like a tart! :poke: :)

Cayman is a nice car but more reliable? Nah.

If I was buying a Z4M I'd not be too worried about mileage, I'd much rather get a car that had been well used, maybe with a known history on here and owned by an enthusiast.

I do 6k a year -ish and have 32k on the clock after 5 years of trouble free ownership. If I own her another 5 years as a keeper she'll have 65k on the clock. These engines are good for 100k plus if properly maintained and looked after so unless you're planning to do 15k a year mileage shouldn't be your main issue.

Besides, I always suspect cars that have spent long periods stood up without a regular blast to keep everthing tip-top will have problems further down the line. Been a few mentioned on here over the years.
 
Darren M said:
allpine99 said:
I am not knocking the z4m i have had BMW's For the last 15 Years 323 328 330ci e46M3 all been fantastic cars . Yes i have driven both the z4 coupe and the z4m . . compared to the 2006 porsche cayman S the cayman was better car as in looks desirability class handling you but them both side by side there is no comparison . . yes they can be expensive but just as expensive as a z4 the porsche is the most reliable german car . . deep down you know the porsche is a better car .
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Yer having a larf :)

I agree in one way though. If I wanted a Z4 M Coupe like car BRAND NEW today yes I would get a BRAND NEW Cayman S as unfortunately it's really the only option .... BMW no longer compete in the same market segment.
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Cayman? Yeah sure it handles beautifully, is well built and the engine is OK, gearbow great BUT its just a bit too gily - it looks like a soap bar. Not enough ponies for that chassis either. But most of all its the stigma of not having the balls to drive a 911 that I could not live with. :headbang:

Comparason is hard, one is a brute and one a beaut... down to personal preference I think - do iron creases ion your jeans ot not :evil:
 
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