The Pbondar thread

[Swiftly]

I was thinking something similar.. I don't know Pete at all other than the odd interaction on the forum but there seems to be a lot of presumption here, what's to say it wasn't sorted and running correctly at time of sale.. does anyone know for sure he was selling a lemon?

By his own posts, clearly saying the issues hadn't been resolved,and are ongoing.
As mentioned by others,above.

Plenty of people have made personal attacks on me,and alot of them don't know me.
People see chat from others on various threads,and make up their own minds.
It's quite evident from Peters own posts his car had issues so he got rid.
And he didn't advertise on here as you would expect,if the car was all fully fixed,which he himself said it wasn't running right,misfires etc.

As a few others have said,he chose to sell it on eBay, hoping it wouldn't be flagged on here as for sale,
Then he asks way too much, (probably about £5k overpriced,even in the current market).
Then he asks for his account on here to be deleted,as others also pointed out ages ago.
All seems strange.

So ,no have to disagree completely,
His car has issues.
Why just not sell it at auction,at a realistic price, especially with those issues,which I think devalue it more than similar 28i e89s of the age,that recently sold for 12.5k on Autotrader,with same mileage as Peters
As I said myself,adding 10k of mods,that inevitably make the car less reliable,and cause the owner various issues, don't add £7k+ of value to a car.

I was thinking something similar.. I don't know Pete at all other than the odd interaction on the forum but there seems to be a lot of presumption here, what's to say it wasn't sorted and running correctly at time of sale.. does anyone know for sure he was selling a lemon?

Why after spending investing all that money and time on his pride and joy would he then go and sell it if he had resolved the issues, it doesn't make any sense to me. In Peters own words he had stated, “If I can sort out my misfire then it’s no contest the yellow peril survives.. if not .. hasta la vista”, so a lemon he must be selling.

I'm not making any assumptions either way whether it was fixed or not, just saying that there are a lot of assumptions being made that it wasn't which I think whatever was previously posted in regard to that car it's unfair to assume it wasn't addressed in some way before it was listed.. Indeed it seems as Enuff Zed has posted that it may have been, certainly if it was my car returning it to a more sensible tune rather than max power would have been my first port of call.. Im not here to point fingers or make judgements and no have no axe to grind with anyone but I do think its quite harsh to cast aspersions on someone without some kind of factual evidence.. Yes we know the car was having issues but we don't know if it was sorted at the time of sale and maybe Peter is conspicuous by absence but it doesn't make him a criminal.. Maybe just someone fed up with drama like this.. Its all bit handbags innit :gfight:

I agree that we don't know for sure if he had managed to sort the engine issues or not, so assumptions have quite rightly been made. I wonder why he didn’t offer his car far sale on the forum as one would expect if it had really sorted? The questions and comments raised, that he had failed to answer, coupled with his hastily retreat from the forum speaks volumes. Perhaps we have all jumping to the wrong conclusion, but the facts speak for themselves. For me, there are just way to many loose ends remaining that still require answers that Peter could have addressed.

 

[Smartbear]

I’m not at all surprised Pete didn’t advertise his car on here, it’s fairly obvious the reaction he would have received from the baying mob.
Rob

 

[Swiftly]

I’m not at all surprised Pete didn’t advertise his car on here, it’s fairly obvious the reaction he would have received from the baying mob.
Rob

A tad over dramatic :lol:

 

[craig3.2]

I’m not at all surprised Pete didn’t advertise his car on here, it’s fairly obvious the reaction he would have received from the baying mob.
Rob

A tad over dramatic :lol:

Just a tad,lol.

More like folk trying to gloss over the fact at the end of the day,His car still has issues....that's why he put it on Fleabay.
Oh,and the way over inflated price.

Many people on here, have themselves ripped people apart for even having a car £1000 too much,in their opinions.
Yet,those folk who have been slated as selling overpriced cars are fair game,but nobody must say a word against how Peters went about things re his car.
His charm offensive of the past year or so, getting out and meeting various people for the first time ever,all around the UK must have worked

 

[inkey$]

Yeah, he always seemed a dick.
Who are we talking about again?

 

[Swiftly]

Yeah, he always seemed a dick.
Who are we talking about again?

 

[Pondrew]

When Peter's ebay advert was first linked on here, I obviously read the advert. The first thing that stood out to me was that he makes no reference to being a member of "the owner's club", which I thought was odd. His car is very individual and I would have thought it sensible to try to re-assure any prospective buyer that all has been done properly, cos it ain't exactly a cheap car.
In one of the threads discussing his sale, someone pretty much directly asked him if the issues had been sorted. No answer. A couple of others eluded to saying they thought it had been sorted. No confirmation from him. he was actively posting on other threads at the time, so I don't think he just missed them.
If there is nothing to hide, why did he not answer?
I could understand him leaving here once his car has sold, but it hasn't (or hadn't) when he disappeared. Also would you just not come back? Asking the admin to delete your account is odd anyway, to me, but is too co-incidental in this scenario.

It makes no sense because on the flipside, Peter is a very intelligent chap. I find it hard to believe he would try and off-load a knackered car without it having repercussions on here (and more importantly maybe jeopardise a sale).

If us doubters are wrong, I would have expected Peter to tell us so, not run off suddenly

 

[inkey$]

I could be wrong, but I’m not entirely sure he cares what a forum thinks. Why would he if he has no plans to return etc?

 

[mr.tourette]

I’m not at all surprised Pete didn’t advertise his car on here, it’s fairly obvious the reaction he would have received from the baying mob.
Rob

A tad over dramatic :lol:

Just a tad,lol.

More like folk trying to gloss over the fact at the end of the day,His car still has issues....that's why he put it on Fleabay.
Oh,and the way over inflated price.

Many people on here, have themselves ripped people apart for even having a car £1000 too much,in their opinions.
Yet,those folk who have been slated as selling overpriced cars are fair game,but nobody must say a word against how Peters went about things re his car.
His charm offensive of the past year or so, getting out and meeting various people for the first time ever,all around the UK must have worked

My god I hate getting involved in forum drama like this but attacking someone who is not able to defend themselves is generally known as bullying or in this case cyber bullying.. now you might think that is a tad dramatic but as unknowns are being presented as fact then we may as well present an actual fact as one.

Cars presented for sale on an open forum for free are subject for fair comment be it positive or negative.. the car being discussed is not for sale here.. You are making judgements based on your own personal bias without being in possession of full knowledge of the facts.. you are making assumptions based on content in previously discussed threads that the guy has openly admitted too. You have zero knowledge of whether the issues have been addressed or not.

The price is the price, nobody has to pay it and as always the market decides what is fair

Maybe people are backing him up and why not.. if he has built friendships with people thats only natural especially if they are in possession of more knowledge of the circumstances than you.

Honestly Craig I dont know you or Peter other than seeing posts from you both in this forum but you're not presenting yourself in the best light with petty bickering over every time someone says something you dont like about Peter, sometimes its just best to let things go as I am about to do with this thread because it just reads like a load of grown men who haven't grown up arguing about something they dont really have the right to as they aren't in full possession of the facts.

Have a nice day

 

[BrianD]

I’m not at all surprised Pete didn’t advertise his car on here, it’s fairly obvious the reaction he would have received from the baying mob.
Rob

A tad over dramatic :lol:

Just a tad,lol.

More like folk trying to gloss over the fact at the end of the day,His car still has issues....that's why he put it on Fleabay.
Oh,and the way over inflated price.

Many people on here, have themselves ripped people apart for even having a car £1000 too much,in their opinions.
Yet,those folk who have been slated as selling overpriced cars are fair game,but nobody must say a word against how Peters went about things re his car.
His charm offensive of the past year or so, getting out and meeting various people for the first time ever,all around the UK must have worked

Craig is correct and I have to agree with him on this one. I have witnessed many members being ripped a part over the years for advertising over priced zeds. Swiftly is also correct in what has said that by Peter creating the Ebay car advert he has put the target on himself. The buck stops with Peter as he only has himself to blame, as it would have been a totally different outcome if only he had discussed on the forum that the issues had been resolved, and what the fix was. That would have stopped the all the assumptions that are currently being punted around. The fact that he didn’t, and instead chose to delete his account and do a runner at a speed which would have qualified him for a place in the Olympics, sounds alarm bells for me. People can think what they like, but it doesn’t change the facts and Peters actions. I would have had more respect for the man if he had stayed on the forum and sorted his mess out, but he didn’t.

 

[biZ4rreMids]

A tad over dramatic :lol:

Just a tad,lol.

More like folk trying to gloss over the fact at the end of the day,His car still has issues....that's why he put it on Fleabay.
Oh,and the way over inflated price.

Many people on here, have themselves ripped people apart for even having a car £1000 too much,in their opinions.
Yet,those folk who have been slated as selling overpriced cars are fair game,but nobody must say a word against how Peters went about things re his car.
His charm offensive of the past year or so, getting out and meeting various people for the first time ever,all around the UK must have worked

My god I hate getting involved in forum drama like this but attacking someone who is not able to defend themselves is generally known as bullying or in this case cyber bullying.. now you might think that is a tad dramatic but as unknowns are being presented as fact then we may as well present an actual fact as one.

Cars presented for sale on an open forum for free are subject for fair comment be it positive or negative.. the car being discussed is not for sale here.. You are making judgements based on your own personal bias without being in possession of full knowledge of the facts.. you are making assumptions based on content in previously discussed threads that the guy has openly admitted too. You have zero knowledge of whether the issues have been addressed or not.

The price is the price, nobody has to pay it and as always the market decides what is fair

Maybe people are backing him up and why not.. if he has built friendships with people thats only natural especially if they are in possession of more knowledge of the circumstances than you.

Honestly Craig I dont know you or Peter other than seeing posts from you both in this forum but you're not presenting yourself in the best light with petty bickering over every time someone says something you dont like about Peter, sometimes its just best to let things go as I am about to do with this thread because it just reads like a load of grown men who haven't grown up arguing about something they dont really have the right to as they aren't in full possession of the facts.

Have a nice day

Well said.

 

[Pondrew]

I could be wrong, but I’m not entirely sure he cares what a forum thinks. Why would he if he has no plans to return etc?

I would put my mortgage on him reading all this. He can still look, he just can't touch, unless he registers as a new account I presume which is less than likely especially now.

 

[inkey$]

I could be wrong, but I’m not entirely sure he cares what a forum thinks. Why would he if he has no plans to return etc?

I would put my mortgage on him reading all this. He can still look, he just can't touch, unless he registers as a new account I presume which is less than likely especially now.

And good luck to him; or anyone that wants to sell their car. IMO it doesn’t matter if its an off forum sale and sorted/not sorted. Dangerous issues aside, its a buyers responsibility to check a car they want to buy. And genuinely, I’m finding it difficult to understand why people on here care quite so much. Maybe Im missing some key forum background issues.

 

[Swiftly]

When Peter's ebay advert was first linked on here, I obviously read the advert. The first thing that stood out to me was that he makes no reference to being a member of "the owner's club", which I thought was odd. His car is very individual and I would have thought it sensible to try to re-assure any prospective buyer that all has been done properly, cos it ain't exactly a cheap car.
In one of the threads discussing his sale, someone pretty much directly asked him if the issues had been sorted. No answer. A couple of others eluded to saying they thought it had been sorted. No confirmation from him. he was actively posting on other threads at the time, so I don't think he just missed them.
If there is nothing to hide, why did he not answer?
I could understand him leaving here once his car has sold, but it hasn't (or hadn't) when he disappeared. Also would you just not come back? Asking the admin to delete your account is odd anyway, to me, but is too co-incidental in this scenario.

It makes no sense because on the flipside, Peter is a very intelligent chap. I find it hard to believe he would try and off-load a knackered car without it having repercussions on here (and more importantly maybe jeopardise a sale).

If us doubters are wrong, I would have expected Peter to tell us so, not run off suddenly

Exactly and totally agree

 

[Zed Baron]

I’m not at all surprised Pete didn’t advertise his car on here, it’s fairly obvious the reaction he would have received from the baying mob.
Rob

well said Rob

 

[Pondrew]

its a buyers responsibility to check a car they want to buy.

That's the whole point. A potential buyer would do the normal checks, MOT history, HPI, etc. The ONLY place where any (potential) issues are public knowledge are on here, because even a short test drive won't highlight them. And guess what; you can't search anymore. Yes, that information is still here, but very hard to find now!

The worst case scenario is that someone buys his car, then joins here (which is likely with a niche car) and is all excited about buying this lovely custard coloured modified E89. And god-forbid they have issues with the gearbox and mis-fires. What happens then?

I just noticed that admin have re-named the threads "the Pbondar thread", so anyone searching the forum (or search engines) for his eBay name will find this :lol:
Done on purpose, or not?

 

[inkey$]

its a buyers responsibility to check a car they want to buy.

That's the whole point. A potential buyer would do the normal checks, MOT history, HPI, etc. The ONLY place where any (potential) issues are public knowledge are on here, because even a short test drive won't highlight them. And guess what; you can't search anymore. Yes, that information is still here, but very hard to find now!

The worst case scenario is that someone buys his car, then joins here (which is likely with a niche car) and is all excited about buying this lovely custard coloured modified E89. And god-forbid they have issues with the gearbox and mis-fires. What happens then?

Still not sure I get it. Its up to the buyer to look into those things. Doesn't matter if they join this forum or not.

 

[GoGirlZ4]

its a buyers responsibility to check a car they want to buy.

That's the whole point. A potential buyer would do the normal checks, MOT history, HPI, etc. The ONLY place where any (potential) issues are public knowledge are on here, because even a short test drive won't highlight them. And guess what; you can't search anymore. Yes, that information is still here, but very hard to find now!

The worst case scenario is that someone buys his car, then joins here (which is likely with a niche car) and is all excited about buying this lovely custard coloured modified E89. And god-forbid they have issues with the gearbox and mis-fires. What happens then?

I totally agree

 

[GoGirlZ4]

its a buyers responsibility to check a car they want to buy.

That's the whole point. A potential buyer would do the normal checks, MOT history, HPI, etc. The ONLY place where any (potential) issues are public knowledge are on here, because even a short test drive won't highlight them. And guess what; you can't search anymore. Yes, that information is still here, but very hard to find now!

The worst case scenario is that someone buys his car, then joins here (which is likely with a niche car) and is all excited about buying this lovely custard coloured modified E89. And god-forbid they have issues with the gearbox and mis-fires. What happens then?

I just noticed that admin have re-named the threads "the Pbondar thread", so anyone searching the forum (or search engines) for his eBay name will find this :lol:
Done on purpose, or not?

God, you are right I just checked :lol:

 

[Pondrew]

Still not sure I get it. Its up to the buyer to look into those things.

How could you check those things? RAC or AA inspection won't find them.