the new cayman/boxster GT4
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CornishRob
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Does the Spyser come from the GT Dept then or "Normal Porsche"
Yeah really looking forward to the Spyder announcement... more than the tin top GT4.
All that said... had the ///M out for the first blast of the year today, up in the hills, roof down, with the bike on the back, and fell in love again, huge smiles, great being in a manual again, it's been a long winter without it.
I'm sure the 981 is a better and definitely an evolution of the Zed era, but 5 or 6 times better??? In looks; absolutely, but smiles, highly unlikely.
So for now... sit tight, let depreciation do it's thing and hope someone comes out with a final drive upgrade so I can stick with manual....
All that said... had the ///M out for the first blast of the year today, up in the hills, roof down, with the bike on the back, and fell in love again, huge smiles, great being in a manual again, it's been a long winter without it.
I'm sure the 981 is a better and definitely an evolution of the Zed era, but 5 or 6 times better??? In looks; absolutely, but smiles, highly unlikely.
So for now... sit tight, let depreciation do it's thing and hope someone comes out with a final drive upgrade so I can stick with manual....
gwatson said:Yeah really looking forward to the Spyder announcement... more than the tin top GT4.
All that said... had the ///M out for the first blast of the year today, up in the hills, roof down, with the bike on the back, and fell in love again, huge smiles, great being in a manual again, it's been a long winter without it.
I'm sure the 981 is a better and definitely an evolution of the Zed era, but 5 or 6 times better??? In looks; absolutely, but smiles, highly unlikely.
So for now... sit tight, let depreciation do it's thing and hope someone comes out with a final drive upgrade so I can stick with manual....
i think your pretty much on the nail now, and i don't know if i agree on the looks bit however, i think the z4 particularly in muscle bound ///M guise looks very bit as good. The z4m is german TVR, a modern AC type cobra vehicle, muscle with some real flare. I'd still wager the s54 being the more special engine than the 3.8 in the GT4/spyder as its just a base Carrera engine ( probably doesn't need the finicky maintenance however) and with some chassis/engine/brake work you can not imagine how the z4m performs properly supercar performance. We are in an appreciating asset and if things continue, the jump to these types of cars may not be a big as we think.
I for one, can't wait to get the roof off this year, store the HT, maybe back off the sprinting alittle and just cruise round the different shows and enjoy a very special car!
Yeah I was thinking that today actually, the S54 has so much character, especially with my Gruppe M and Stromung exhaust attached at each end, I was having a riot, it loves to be revved. Lots of pops and crackles, but not forced like the new 981.
It's due it's annual detail soon, I'm sure once I get time to do that I'll enjoy the looks again
If I do decide to keep it longer, I'll get the front bumper and bonnet resprayed too which will help, maybe the wheels an anthracite colour to add a bit more aggressiveness, see to coilovers and shorter diff ratio.
It's due it's annual detail soon, I'm sure once I get time to do that I'll enjoy the looks again
If I do decide to keep it longer, I'll get the front bumper and bonnet resprayed too which will help, maybe the wheels an anthracite colour to add a bit more aggressiveness, see to coilovers and shorter diff ratio.A good friend of mine has a 981 Boxster S with PDK and lots of other extras ticked. It is a gorgeous looking thing and every time I have a ride in it I think...."should I or shouldn't I?".
But I think Meaden in that Evo video made an important point. The Boxster and Cayman are so good almost any idiot can drive them up to 10/10ths. That makes them a great car but it also means that they are a bit sterile and I reckon you could get quite bored of them quite quickly if you were a keen petrolhead because they surrender everything they have to offer pretty quickly. There's no long induction period when you need to get to know them and therefore none of that satisfaction you get once you've really cracked it. That's what has put me off them.
I think the GT cars offer you that bit extra but you have to be committed to get it.
But I think Meaden in that Evo video made an important point. The Boxster and Cayman are so good almost any idiot can drive them up to 10/10ths. That makes them a great car but it also means that they are a bit sterile and I reckon you could get quite bored of them quite quickly if you were a keen petrolhead because they surrender everything they have to offer pretty quickly. There's no long induction period when you need to get to know them and therefore none of that satisfaction you get once you've really cracked it. That's what has put me off them.
I think the GT cars offer you that bit extra but you have to be committed to get it.
whatever way you look at it, you can spent around 15k modding your z4m and get 120k+ performance from it easily, and still have a car thats owes you less than 35k if you buy sensibly in todays market. The best bit about tuning is you can do it over time as well and eventually end up with something pretty god damn special. admittedly we are all mere human and new shiny things will always take our hearts BUT.... think long, hard and wisely and its not quite the mega deal you think coming from the z4m which i suspect will keep slowly but surely creeping up in price. Im enjoying having alittle dream atm but we are all in a nice situation imo. That s54 engine ( i don't give a rats butt whole what some say on here) is one of the best engines any manufacturer has made for a mainstream sports car and the current GTS and GT4/spyder just haven't got THAT, that have alot but they don't have an s54 rival, popping the hood and having a peak still makes me smile to this very day.
I always find it funny reading threads on here contemplating a change from the M's in particular. I had all but bought this two days ago and have been lusting over it and considering throwing some money at it.
997, $15k over the best case scenario price for the Z. Turns out the seller wants to hold out and see if they can get an extra $5k over my offer. But I will admit the main pull was the badge and feeling slightly more modern than the Z even though it's actually a year or two older, and less well equipped, bose speakers, no subs, no heated seats, no parking sensors, the list goes on. I can't help but feel I'd be happier throwing mod money at a 911 than the z4m.
have had three convos with Porsche today and discovered that the cayman GT4 is about $100k here less than I thought it was here which puts it into some very realistic territory if the allocation hasn't gone which apparantly is hard to ascertain for aus, which has knocked me for six and I've been bending my colleague/friends ear all day.. I've long said that the gt4 is the only new car in a long time that I'd even entertain buying new, the first car I've ever seen in a show room that would take my money.
But Then the Z4M Is the only car I've ever owned for over 8 months (think it must be about 3 years now! every time I want to sell it, I drop the top, go for a drive, get some nice comments and can't imagine life without it) the weather here means that if anything sometimes it's too hot for a convertible/. The car has lost $0 in value over 3 years when you look at what they're selling for here, whereas the cayman will inevitably drop coin whichever way you look at it being a new car. I could drop in the M Performance seats that I wanted, supercharge it, KW coilovers, RPI and have the perfect Z in my eyes, I've even got a quote from Slek designs to have the carbon fibre bodykit shipped over - and I'd still not be approaching half the price on a GT4. Thing is, as much as the GT4 doesn't have the accolade of having a renowned epic engine, developments in tech beyond the engine more than compensate; in terms of a total package, handling, performance, focus, prestige, tech, it does have about everything else that could possibly matter in a purchase and as a modern alternative blows vehicles like the Z out of the water.
997, $15k over the best case scenario price for the Z. Turns out the seller wants to hold out and see if they can get an extra $5k over my offer. But I will admit the main pull was the badge and feeling slightly more modern than the Z even though it's actually a year or two older, and less well equipped, bose speakers, no subs, no heated seats, no parking sensors, the list goes on. I can't help but feel I'd be happier throwing mod money at a 911 than the z4m.
have had three convos with Porsche today and discovered that the cayman GT4 is about $100k here less than I thought it was here which puts it into some very realistic territory if the allocation hasn't gone which apparantly is hard to ascertain for aus, which has knocked me for six and I've been bending my colleague/friends ear all day.. I've long said that the gt4 is the only new car in a long time that I'd even entertain buying new, the first car I've ever seen in a show room that would take my money.
But Then the Z4M Is the only car I've ever owned for over 8 months (think it must be about 3 years now! every time I want to sell it, I drop the top, go for a drive, get some nice comments and can't imagine life without it) the weather here means that if anything sometimes it's too hot for a convertible/. The car has lost $0 in value over 3 years when you look at what they're selling for here, whereas the cayman will inevitably drop coin whichever way you look at it being a new car. I could drop in the M Performance seats that I wanted, supercharge it, KW coilovers, RPI and have the perfect Z in my eyes, I've even got a quote from Slek designs to have the carbon fibre bodykit shipped over - and I'd still not be approaching half the price on a GT4. Thing is, as much as the GT4 doesn't have the accolade of having a renowned epic engine, developments in tech beyond the engine more than compensate; in terms of a total package, handling, performance, focus, prestige, tech, it does have about everything else that could possibly matter in a purchase and as a modern alternative blows vehicles like the Z out of the water.
Had some lovely seat time in my z4m after a long feeling winter.....
honestly you can't but help smile really... big engine, small car, long bonnet, RWD, nice steering, sitting on those rear wheels.... i just can't help but think these things are going to rocket in value...
im winding this car out over a wideish back road and it just feels nuts, the way the car covers ground, sounds and more importantly feels is so special, these new model Caymans , boxsters have this feel however imo. You do have to ask yourself is it worth putting like 50k ontop of your z4m for essentially the same "feel" honestly no ( GT4 / GTS pricing) .... if money was no object then hell yes but for ALOT of us that aren't jonny essex ( a billionaire didn't you know) i think the z4m still has so much to offer, with some changes they are right up their in terms of out and out performance...
Still can't get the Gt4 out my mind...... I really need to go get the CGTS and do a proper review, maybe even video it and post it up.. Been a busy few weeks as work has been busy ...
If you really want the best from your z4m change the suspension for a top level kit, have it setup professionally, look at upping the power and i think you'll always be satisfied, you'll always have your head turned, but you'll always be satisfied by your ///M car, they got so much right but their are flaws that need tweaking to get the best of it, sadly this isn't a cheap exercise either!
honestly you can't but help smile really... big engine, small car, long bonnet, RWD, nice steering, sitting on those rear wheels.... i just can't help but think these things are going to rocket in value...
im winding this car out over a wideish back road and it just feels nuts, the way the car covers ground, sounds and more importantly feels is so special, these new model Caymans , boxsters have this feel however imo. You do have to ask yourself is it worth putting like 50k ontop of your z4m for essentially the same "feel" honestly no ( GT4 / GTS pricing) .... if money was no object then hell yes but for ALOT of us that aren't jonny essex ( a billionaire didn't you know) i think the z4m still has so much to offer, with some changes they are right up their in terms of out and out performance...
Still can't get the Gt4 out my mind...... I really need to go get the CGTS and do a proper review, maybe even video it and post it up.. Been a busy few weeks as work has been busy ...
If you really want the best from your z4m change the suspension for a top level kit, have it setup professionally, look at upping the power and i think you'll always be satisfied, you'll always have your head turned, but you'll always be satisfied by your ///M car, they got so much right but their are flaws that need tweaking to get the best of it, sadly this isn't a cheap exercise either!
Beedub said:
That's what I'm struggling with to be honest. I smile everytime I slam the throttle down, hear the pops and bangs after I ease off, power through a bend and feel the butt twitch on the way out. I have a track car, so the Z gets b-road and poser duties mainly.
I've bought a supercharger, sold a supercharger, regretted selling a supercharger, tried to sell the car, realized I didn't want to sell the car - pretty much constantly for the last two years :lol: The cash isn't the big issue, I think above all I'm worried about spending a wad of cash on the Z4M and then at the end of the day still thinking ''It drives perfectly, but I wish it was a porsche/ferrari/aston" :lol: rediculous I know.. Although at the same time as far as the porsche and beem are concerned I have a v8 itch that only a 360 or vantage can scratch too. I've decided that my next car is pretty much going to be a lifer/v long term if not the Z and the GT4 is the only new car that I can afford (don't get me wrong, an aventador would do just fine!) where I've been able to tick all the boxes that the Z4M has ticked for me yet still feel like a step forwards. I can't think of a single other car that does this for me on a personal level (looks, performance, sound, equipment, the way it handles, wow factor/exclusivity (I don't know how many looks they get in the UK but out of the 17.6million cars on the road here, just 76 of them are Z4M roadsters - and apparantly just 9 of them are silver grey Z4M roadsters. I like this.) etc)
I think another thing is that the newer porsches just feel/look that little bit more up to date. I love the elegant lines of the Z and the simplicity of the interior and I think new seats and a new steering wheel would remedy that to be honest (have seen a few carbon/alcantara re-trimmed models with a flat bottom that would go a treat). I have also thought of the idea of an android based double din/tablet for that reason - but I can't justify it when it's got the top spec unit in there.
The cash isn't the big issue, but I think above all I'm worried about spending a wad of cash on the Z4M and then at the end of the day still thinking ''It drives perfectly, looks stunning, but I still wish it was a porsche/ferrari/aston" :lol: Which is why I've also not been able to shake the want to trade in for a 2009 PDK boxed Cayman S lately. Ridiculous I know.. I guess the GT4 has all the factors that make the Z4M the car I love, polishes them a bit, and adds that un-quantifiable, illogical allure of having a supercar badge on the bonet. I feel like a man a few years into a marriage who's trying to decide if to run away with a supermodel. She'll do much the same things, but you'll feel a little nicer standing next to her in public :lol:
And so we have the Boxster Spyder folks....
http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/boxster-spyder/15620/porsche-boxster-spyder-preview-specification-pricing-and-performance
Edit: 370hp 3.8 litre engine, manual fabric roof, manual gearbox only though Stark. £60k.
It's a lovely looking thing.
http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/boxster-spyder/15620/porsche-boxster-spyder-preview-specification-pricing-and-performance
Edit: 370hp 3.8 litre engine, manual fabric roof, manual gearbox only though Stark. £60k.
It's a lovely looking thing.
