The jab ..

[Flyingfifer]

BTW,

I am not trying to set anyone up to take shots at people. I am just wondering when and how this all ends and my opinions and that of my mates differ alot from the generations above us.

My answer (rightly or wrongly) is that as soon as my Parent's or Grandparents are comfortable and safe I will be there to spend family time with them.

How I feel right now is I am not going to watch the government eek out these restrictions to the end of the year and beyond. Life is about taking calculated risks and if us as a unit are happy with it then who is some toff (who doesn't have my best interests at heart) in London dictate how we should behave.

This.

 

[Flyingfifer]

I will wait until the rules allow me to go out and about.
Even then I will exercise caution.

So no basically, nothing has materially changed in terms of normality being restored

No - nothing

I do think it seems to be be improving in general if the official graphs are to be believed.
We will have to wait until a huge lump of the population gets jabbed and numbers look right to the statistics bods.

Agreed, its all just a bit "stick it and see" at the moment with nothing of any real value being given by the gov :thumbsdown:

 

[Deleted member 32480]

We will have to wait until a huge lump of the population gets jabbed and numbers look right to the statistics bods.

1 in 4 adults in the UK have been done now (1st jab). Once all the over 60's are done that's 90%+ of all the people that die from the disease protected.

In your opinion what's enough? Do you feel everyone needs it before we can let people free?

 

[Deleted member 32480]

BTW,

I am not trying to set anyone up to take shots at people. I am just wondering when and how this all ends and my opinions and that of my mates differ alot from the generations above us.

My answer (rightly or wrongly) is that as soon as my Parent's or Grandparents are comfortable and safe I will be there to spend family time with them.

How I feel right now is I am not going to watch the government eek out these restrictions to the end of the year and beyond. Life is about taking calculated risks and if us as a unit are happy with it then who is some toff (who doesn't have my best interests at heart) in London dictate how we should behave.

This.

It worries me slightly how it all ends. The only way that I can see it ending is when we all say we have had enough.

It's mad the amount of psychological damage that has been done.

We have all the adults who will all be vaccinated (~95% effective rate) against a virus that they have a ~99% survival rate from still not feeling safe about returning to normal life.

 

[ronk]

I can admit to feeling a wee bit safer a week post jab but it’s not just about ME - I need to feel more confident I’m less likely to pass it on. Current indicators show that I’m less likely to.

 

[Deleted member 32480]

I can admit to feeling a wee bit safer a week post jab but it’s not just about ME - I need to feel more confident I’m less likely to pass it on. Current indicators show that I’m less likely to.

That makes me feel good (not taking the p1ss).

 

[ronk]

We will have to wait until a huge lump of the population gets jabbed and numbers look right to the statistics bods.

1 in 4 adults in the UK have been done now (1st jab). Once all the over 60's are done that's 90%+ of all the people that die from the disease protected.

In your opinion what's enough? Do you feel everyone needs it before we can let people free?

It’s not just about folk snuffing it tho - it’s intensive care beds and general hospitalisation of covid patients

We need to see some slack in the system first. Then carefully relax - I’ve done my bit (lockdown) since March 2020 so as headlong rush would be a waste of previous efforts.
But hey I’m a 73 yr old Diabetic - a 30ish might feel more confident - but aren’t they who get the variants?

 

[exdos]

I have a question for the more seniors and the juniors (just flip it round).

When you get your second Jab and have waited for the 2 weeks (or what ever it is) for the full effects to kick in. Do you at this point consider yourself free?

Would you then go and see your grandchildren, family members etc? Or will you wait for the governments say so?

I had my first dose of the Pfizer vaccine yesterday and have no side-effects whatsoever. Whilst on a personal level, I consider that I will have a level of immunity after about 3 weeks which those whom have not had C-19 infection, nor yet received the vaccine, do not have, I consider that I am just one person out of 66million other people in the UK. As such I, am grateful to know that my personal risk of catching C-19 is now considerably reduced, but I have no intention of selfishly flaunting this to those whom will not yet have my level of immunity.

As I see it, we are all in this together and as such I will share the lockdown with those whom are in a much less fortunate position than me.

 

[Deleted member 32480]

As I see it, we are all in this together and as such I will share the lockdown with those whom are in a much less fortunate position than me.

So when will you see your Grandchildren? What has to happen for you to be able to do so? Is it safe when all the over 60's have had their jab or do you think it needs to be all 66million?

Also,

What happens when (like the flu) a slightly different variant appears (keep in mind there are over 200 versions already)?

Do you go back to full lockdowns again and repeat the process? Do you have an acceptable level of risk that sit's with you or do you just trust what the powers that be say?

 

[Deleted member 32480]

We will have to wait until a huge lump of the population gets jabbed and numbers look right to the statistics bods.

1 in 4 adults in the UK have been done now (1st jab). Once all the over 60's are done that's 90%+ of all the people that die from the disease protected.

In your opinion what's enough? Do you feel everyone needs it before we can let people free?

It’s not just about folk snuffing it tho - it’s intensive care beds and general hospitalisation of covid patients

We need to see some slack in the system first. Then carefully relax - I’ve done my bit (lockdown) since March 2020 so as headlong rush would be a waste of previous efforts.
But hey I’m a 73 yr old Diabetic - a 30ish might feel more confident - but aren’t they who get the variants?

Very valid points.

Not to upto date on my "varients" tbh Ronk. Oxford and the South African one- just a "deadly" but more transmittable? Some of the jab's may not be as "effective" with the SA one? Are there any others being peddled at the moment?

I am not saying it's all correct but this is one of the podcasts I listen to on a weekly basis. I know it's mainstream media but it looks at the crisis from a slightly different view to most of the mainstream press.

Might be worth a listen, if only to see how us "wrong-uns" think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCsjFTozjKk&ab_channel=TheTelegraph

I love it, they have someone in the NHS (they don't name him/her) and go into the numbers of some of what the government spits out and fact checks them (it's a small part of the podcast) but just gives you a different look at it.

Don't get me wrong- it's all doom and gloom like most media these days but a different type of doom and gloom.

 

[ronk]

I suspect we will have an annual jab - tweaked to the variant of bug that the boffins see as the treat for the following year.

We will probably get it at the same session as the flu jab.

 

[exdos]

So when will you see your Grandchildren? What has to happen for you to be able to do so? Is it safe when all the over 60's have had their jab or do you think it needs to be all 66million?

Sunday afternoon using FaceTime. It's not quite the same as a personal visit but we all look forward to it and enjoy it as a 2nd best solution. If we hadn't got the modern video communication facility then things would be VERY difficult for us all, including us oldies.

Also,

What happens when (like the flu) a slightly different variant appears (keep in mind there are over 200 versions already)?

Do you go back to full lockdowns again and repeat the process? Do you have an acceptable level of risk that sit's with you or do you just trust what the powers that be say?

If we can bash the incidence of the viral infection in the UK population to a very low figure by both lockdown and the mass vaccination programme, then I'm sure that present vaccines will provide us with sufficient cover to prevent the hospitalisation of large numbers of C-19 infected patients for the foreseeable future. The "save the NHS" mantra is what the government's focus is all about.

The expert virologists really do know what they are doing and they are able to "read" the RNA of the genomes of all the C-19 variants so they can see which genes are common to all the "species", so that their vaccines can be designed to include the specific gene coding which will then give the greatest immunity to the largest number of C-19 variants. If new variants appear then the virologists will be able to tweak their vaccines in order to provide immunity to the new features appearing in the novel virus strains. I expect that an annual vaccine will be likely from now on which will account for the various strains. The more that we can suppress the virus the least number of variants that will appear.

 

[Flyingfifer]

I suspect we will have an annual jab - tweaked to the variant of bug that the boffins see as the treat for the following year.

We will probably get it at the same session as the flu jab.

This was hinted earlier in the week, personally I always expected this to be at least a yearly thing much like flu

 

[Deleted member 32480]

So when will you see your Grandchildren? What has to happen for you to be able to do so? Is it safe when all the over 60's have had their jab or do you think it needs to be all 66million?

Sunday afternoon using FaceTime. It's not quite the same as a personal visit but we all look forward to it and enjoy it as a 2nd best solution. If we hadn't got the modern video communication facility then things would be VERY difficult for us all, including us oldies.

Also,

What happens when (like the flu) a slightly different variant appears (keep in mind there are over 200 versions already)?

Do you go back to full lockdowns again and repeat the process? Do you have an acceptable level of risk that sit's with you or do you just trust what the powers that be say?

If we can bash the incidence of the viral infection in the UK population to a very low figure by both lockdown and the mass vaccination programme, then I'm sure that present vaccines will provide us with sufficient cover to prevent the hospitalisation of large numbers of C-19 infected patients for the foreseeable future. The "save the NHS" mantra is what the government's focus is all about.

The expert virologists really do know what they are doing and they are able to "read" the RNA of the genomes of all the C-19 variants so they can see which genes are common to all the "species", so that their vaccines can be designed to include the specific gene coding which will then give the greatest immunity to the largest number of C-19 variants. If new variants appear then the virologists will be able to tweak their vaccines in order to provide immunity to the new features appearing in the novel virus strains. I expect that an annual vaccine will be likely from now on which will account for the various strains. The more that we can suppress the virus the least number of variants that will appear.

Nice double doge of the question there. Have you thought of a career in politics?

I agree, I think it's more of a case of when and not if. And if 1/5th of the hopitalisations are under 55 and 90% of the deaths are coming from the over 60's then jabbing them all will sort this final hurdle.

I think half of the battle will be getting you old turtles to pop your heads out of your shells again.

 

[ronk]

I think half of the battle will be getting you old turtles to pop your heads out of your shells again.

And it can’t come soon enough!

There will be some dosh going back into the system at the same time I suspect!

April the Z is taxed for starters

 

[Deleted member 32480]

April the Z is taxed for starters

I need to un-tax mine. It runs to the end of the month so I am not losing anything by not cancelling. I think I might insure it for a couple of hours and take it out next weekend when it gets nicer. Keep her loose.

 

[exdos]

Nice double doge of the question there. Have you thought of a career in politics?

Only if I can be the Dictator. :evil:

Although I'm a long way from agreeing with everything our government has done in this pandemic, I do see the thrust of what they are trying to do. It really is a thankless task and the power of hindsight is a wonderful thing.

The government are torn between a harsh lockdown for maximum curtailment of the pandemic and no lockdown for the sake of the Economy and by trying to please both sides they fall between two stools (i.e. s**t on both sides!).

I think that lockdown should end when all the over 55s have had their 2nd dose of the vaccine.

I agree, I think it's more of a case of when and not if. And if 1/5th of the hopitalisations are under 55 and 90% of the deaths are coming from the over 60's then jabbing them all will sort this final hurdle.

IT'S ALL ABOUT SAVING THE NHS
If the government had let the virus run riot then the NHS would've been overwhelmed with an immense number of deaths all at once.

I think half of the battle will be getting you old turtles to pop your heads out of your shells again.

Believe me, I'm rarin' to take up my life where I left off. I'll be out in my Go-karts as soon as I can. I don't blame the government for any of it: the pandemic is a natural disaster the likes of which none of us have seen before in our lifetimes. I just think that coping with lockdown is "attitudinal" and I take "Fletch's" point of view in "Porridge": just bide your time. Getting upset and angry is a futile and self-destructive way of handling the situation, just chill and find relaxing ways of passing the time.

 

[Argyll Andy]

Re visiting family members etc I will do so when I feel it’s safe and not putting whoever I visit at risk because even though I may be protected they may not be.

I don’t see me being vaccinated as some sort of freedom pass at everyone else’s possible expense.

I believe this 100% the 1st sentence. But the question is do you make this decision yourself or do you do it when "your told".

Also Andy, Say we were family and went for a coffee (you vax'd- me unvax'd, under 40 and in good health) would you consider yourself putting me a risk in this situation?

I will weigh everything up and see what fits each individual situation best along with whatever regulations/restrictions are in place at that time. This is what I think Ron (sorry if I'm wrong Ron) is saying. We've been under really tight restrictions while shielding and will not blow all that hard work, effort and sacrifice to take unnecessary risks at this late stage. Trust me, shielding was a lot harder than most folks realise but it was implemented to try and keep us safe so I'm ok with it.

At the risk of boring people by repeating myself, I was told quite clearly from the offset that if I caught COVID it would likely be fatal for me. I have an auto immune disease, non lifestyle related, which through the drug treatment required to keep me alive has given me CKD stage 4. People with lowered immune systems or auto immune diseases are at the higher end of the risk category. One major side effect of Covid that's not highlighted too much is kidney failure, already having that it's not a side effect I could risk.

So back on point I will assess each circumstance individually to both me and anyone else involved. Even if the govt. say it's ok to do something it doesn't mean I will.

Leading onto your second point, if you and I were to go out for a coffee, I wouldn't see ME putting you at risk because I've been shieling and on the few occasions I've been out recently socially distancing etc but what I would see as the risk to both of us and any future contact of ours is that we have no assurances that anyone we've come into contact when we were out with has been observing these rules with the same diligence as us.

That's the bit that makes me uncomfortable, the person serving us may not be social distancing at all, been at a party/illegal gathering 3 nights before, not sanitised their hands before lifting your cup and scone etc etc. I've maybe not put you at risk but we have both been put at a risk by behaviour out with our control.

I know we are all at risk of transmission of anything when eating out/mixing with other and fully understand that's all part of normal life but we're discussing the transmission of a highly infectious and deadly virus here, not the cold or a sickness bug which is why my risk assessment will be tighter for the next wee while yet.

BTW, you're paying for the coffee and cake (when we're allow out )!!

 

[ronk]

I just think that coping with lockdown is "attitudinal" and I take "Fletch's" point of view in "Porridge": just bide your time. Getting upset and angry is a futile and self-destructive way of handling the situation, just chill and find relaxing ways of passing the time.

Just got to be happy in your own skin!

 

[enuff_zed]

I think that lockdown should end when all the over 55s have had their 2nd dose of the vaccine.

Don't dispute that idea but................

I'm in that group and not expecting my first dose until mid April-ish.
That means second dose around end of June if they stick to the 12 week plan.
A long time to keep it going.

More likely to be down to Tier 3 then I reckon.