The jab ..

[rdgreen]

I don't actually follow what you are saying? Are you saying unproven theories shouldn't be labelled as conspiracy?

Do you actually know what a conspiracy is?

"A conspiracy is an agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime at some time in the future. Criminal law in some countries or for some conspiracies may require that at least one overt act be undertaken in furtherance of that agreement, to constitute an offense." Wikipedia

 

[Z4C_er]

I don't actually follow what you are saying? Are you saying unproven theories shouldn't be labelled as conspiracy?

Do you actually know what a conspiracy is?

"A conspiracy is an agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime at some time in the future. Criminal law in some countries or for some conspiracies may require that at least one overt act be undertaken in furtherance of that agreement, to constitute an offense." Wikipedia

More simply, a Consiracy theory can be defined (cited from Mirriam Webster) as "a theory asserting that a secret of great importance is being kept from the public"

Please don't patronise me.

I'll put it another way for you. Do you believe that any theory that is considered alternative from the mainstream should be discredited first (because you saw it on the news for example) then maybe if someone can satisfy you later with your version of what could be truth, then you will accept it?

 

[Z4C_er]

I appreciate that there are a lot of variables that go into this but have a look at the chart below. One of these countries has closed business and has locked up it's people 3 times in the last calendar year. The other hasn't.


https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=earliest..latest&country=GBR~SWE&region=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=smoothed&hideControls=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

It seems not matter what facts you throw out mgrlane, someone will pop up and discredit it. The old saying: "why ruin a good story with facts?"

 

[Deleted member 32480]

I appreciate that there are a lot of variables that go into this but have a look at the chart below. One of these countries has closed business and has locked up it's people 3 times in the last calendar year. The other hasn't.


https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=earliest..latest&country=GBR~SWE&region=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=smoothed&hideControls=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

It seems not matter what facts you throw out mgrlane, someone will pop up and discredit it. The old saying: "why ruin a good story with facts?"

People will only see what they want to see. We are all guilty of it- me especially.

 

[Z4C_er]

I appreciate that there are a lot of variables that go into this but have a look at the chart below. One of these countries has closed business and has locked up it's people 3 times in the last calendar year. The other hasn't.


https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=earliest..latest&country=GBR~SWE&region=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=smoothed&hideControls=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

It seems not matter what facts you throw out mgrlane, someone will pop up and discredit it. The old saying: "why ruin a good story with facts?"

People will only see what they want to see. We are all guilty of it- me especially.

I thought the graph was useful. What interests me is places like Romania, etc. where they literally live on top of each other - see the typical picture from below - they had less cases:

And again, places like Taiwan and Vietnam with a combined total of around 116 million people, they had a a death count of less that 20! Sorry, to say that their lockdowns controlled that is complete BS.

 

[john-e89]

I appreciate that there are a lot of variables that go into this but have a look at the chart below. One of these countries has closed business and has locked up it's people 3 times in the last calendar year. The other hasn't.


https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=earliest..latest&country=GBR~SWE&region=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=smoothed&hideControls=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

It seems not matter what facts you throw out mgrlane, someone will pop up and discredit it. The old saying: "why ruin a good story with facts?"

People will only see what they want to see. We are all guilty of it- me especially.

Sweden size approx 450,000 KM squared, population just over 10million.


Size of Britain approx 242,000 KM squared, population just over 66 million.

Romaine size approx 238,000 KMsquared, population just over 19 million.

You’re gonna have to do better than that Mgarlane.... :wink: :wink:

 

[Deleted member 32480]

Sweden size approx 450,000 KM squared, population just over 10million.


Size of Britain approx 242,000 KM squared, population just over 66 million.

Romaine size approx 238,000 KMsquared, population just over 19 million.

You’re gonna have to do better than that Mgarlane....

People will only see what they want to see. We are all guilty of it- me especially.

Point proven.

I get it John that the UK is approximately 10 times as dense as Sweden but take the numbers off the axis of the chart- would you expect them to correlate so closely?

 

[Deleted member 32480]

And again, places like Taiwan and Vietnam with a combined total of around 116 million people, they had a a death count of less that 20! Sorry, to say that their lockdowns controlled that is complete BS.

No mention of those two places in your reply [ref]john-e89[/ref], any idea on the KM squared/population?

Not picking at you. I just think they need to at least be acknowledged for an honest debate.

I did look at France for a comparison earlier to us. Twice the land and roughly the same people. But it's hard to compare the land to people. Just think of Australia for example. Vast land but people only live in two main area's.

Sweden does have some highly populated City's too but like you say alot more space. It's very hard on both sides of the argument to compare like for like with countries.

 

[Old-Duckman]

I do tend to get wordy in my posts and the most recent one, in my attempt to be less so, I may have succeed in that goal but missed getting my point across clearly.

Your questions and comments regarding that post are valid and understood. Allow me to briefly (I hope) clarify.

What encouraged me to post were the comments made regarding the video of Anthony Patch. There were many posts poking fun at Mr. Patch and I don't deny that much of what he said sounded crazy. I usually take a “hmm ya never know” approach to information along those lines. Surely many would categorize that man's comments as a conspiracy theory.

As I was reading the many posts, basically making fun of Mr. Patch and his thoughts, they somewhat angered me and it got me thinking of the many people in our past who were laughed at and later found to have had valid points of view. That is why I researched the Net, found that site and posted it.

This quotation is also from that site and it fit perfectly with respect to many of the posts regarding the video but I decided not to post it as I did not want to be misunderstood as one pointing a finger but...well here it is. "Men show their character in nothing more clearly than by what they think laughable." -J. W. Goethe


Do I know the difference between unsubstantiated scientific discoveries and conspiracy theories, of course I do and I can understand why my connection was not understood, I did not explain my thought process in my post.

Do I believe what some would call conspiracy theory with respect to the vaccine? Absolutely.

I have stated in earlier posts that I do not trust the stated goals of the vaccine pushers (government, vaccine industry and the so called “ruling elite). As I clearly stated in a prior post “The whole thing is more about control than it is about health.” Those may not be my exact words but close enough.

Whether the virus was intentionally released or not is up for debate and can't, at this point in time, be proven one way or the other. However, IMO it is being used to reach the goals of a New World Order, One World Government group or groups? From my point of view only the blind can not see that it most certainly is being used for such. Advisor to President Obama, Rohm Emmanuel, “Never let a crisis go to waste.” And this one is being used to its fullest extent.

I believe that the vaccine itself is being used for nefarious purposes, depopulation being the most obvious. As I also said in a previous post, once people start dying in large numbers due to the effects of an experimental MRNA vaccine used on the world population at large that will be explained away as the results of a variant of the virus and will be cause to initiate even stricter control of the populace and more “jabs”. This, of course, will fill the pockets of the medical “saviors” of humanity.

Is that conspiracy theory enough for ya? One member commented on one of my posts (I don't recall who), “I hope you don't mind being laughed at behind your back.” I most assuredly do not, in fact it would put me in good company.

Tried to be brief but I guess I just can't do it !

 

[Z4C_er]

It seems not matter what facts you throw out mgrlane, someone will pop up and discredit it. The old saying: "why ruin a good story with facts?"

People will only see what they want to see. We are all guilty of it- me especially.

Sweden size approx 450,000 KM squared, population just over 10million.


Size of Britain approx 242,000 KM squared, population just over 66 million.

Romaine size approx 238,000 KMsquared, population just over 19 million.

You’re gonna have to do better than that Mgarlane.... :wink: :wink:

UK comes third behind Taiwan or Vietnam.
Sorry, you'll have to do better than that...
https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/united-kingdom-population

 

[Deleted member 32480]

Have you the same for Sweden [ref]Z4C_er[/ref],

 

[Z4C_er]

Have you the same for Sweden [ref]Z4C_er[/ref],

Sure:

 

[Deleted member 32480]

Have you the same for Sweden [ref]Z4C_er[/ref],

Sure:
swe.JPG

Ah, Thank you.

So it looks like there is a lot less people but 85% of them live in the City's of which there are about 13 main city's which they populate.

 

[Z4C_er]

Have you the same for Sweden [ref]Z4C_er[/ref],

Sure:
swe.JPG

Ah, Thank you.

So it looks like there is a lot less people but 85% of them live in the City's of which there are about 13 main city's which they populate.

Yeah, this population per total land area is another diversion. Find out total population vs area of cities, then you'll get a better idea.
Someone explain this one. 24 million people and not one death. Don't tell me 'because they stuck to the lockdown rules' BS....

 

[Old-Duckman]

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/a-de...o-unite-this-is-genocide_dsBKN9dibSQZS3N.html

This man says it better than I ever could, he is fellow countryman of many of you as he hails from the UK.

It is less than a half hour long and I hope the fact that the link is being posted by a tinfoil wearing conspiracy theorist (me) will not dissuade you from taking the time to watch it.

 

[Vornwend]

Cambodia and Laos probably a combination of:

Under reporting, esp communist Laos
Very young populations v western countries
High % of population in non urban areas. In Laos 20% of communities don't even have road access!
Less exposure to international travel
Different social conventions - eg less handshaking
Populations spend more time outdoors than western countries
Lower levels of obesity, diabetes and hypertension
etc, etc, etc

Pretty pointless comparison really....

 

[Z4C_er]

Cambodia and Laos probably a combination of:

Under reporting, esp communist Laos
Very young populations v western countries
High % of population in non urban areas. In Laos 20% of communities don't even have road access!
Less exposure to international travel
Different social conventions - eg less handshaking
Populations spend more time outdoors than western countries
Lower levels of obesity, diabetes and hypertension
etc, etc, etc

Pretty pointless comparison really....

Pretty pointless comment at the end really!
Why pointless? So you say some key things at the end, like more outdoor time (vitamin D and fresh air), lower levels of obesity etc. But then call it pointless?
So, in other words, you're pointing towards two things:
1. That Covid isn't the global killer it's supposed to be. We can change the outcome if we change our lifestyle.
2. That we can continue to live our fat, stressed unhealthy existence, and thank God the pharmaceutical companies can come and rescue us. They have a solution for us.
But the thing about this is they don't have a solution. It's being pushed on us! It's being sold as the only solution, but then, here you are saying that a change in lifestyle is pointless. Just roll up your sleeve and all will be OK.

 

[Vornwend]

The virus is a global killer

Vaccines are the solution for this and numerous other human diseases that have plagued us throughout history. No one is forcing you to take the vaccine. You can choose to go and live in a hut on a hill in Cambodia or a tent in Antartica if that is how you want to avoid catching it. Most people will want to take the vaccine and get on with the lives they are used to and have chosen.

We can't make all the long term and fundamental changes to lifestyles in time to bring it under control even if western populations were willing to make all the necessary sacrifices. Neither can we change the climate we live in or the geography of our country. Hence the pretty pointless comparison, note I didn't say totally. For the moment we have to rely on lockdown and social distancing measures which are proven to work in the UK. If at the end of all this we have learnt to be a bit more concerned with our health and made some useful and realistic adjustments to our lifestyles then so much the better.

 

[Deleted member 32480]

Sure:
swe.JPG

Ah, Thank you.

So it looks like there is a lot less people but 85% of them live in the City's of which there are about 13 main city's which they populate.

Yeah, this population per total land area is another diversion. Find out total population vs area of cities, then you'll get a better idea.
Someone explain this one. 24 million people and not one death. Don't tell me 'because they stuck to the lockdown rules' BS....
huh.JPG

Interesting.

Its so hard to get a like for like comparison.

We all have different ways of recording things and different tests that we carry out. I trust the Asia figures as must as a trust our own.

If I had to bet on it I would say that Asia leans towards not accounting many deaths towards the Covid count and us mugs, well we record it highly in its favour.

 

[Nictrix]

For the moment we have to rely on lockdown and social distancing measures which are proven to work in the UK.

You think that the joke lockdown is working?
I would hate to think of the state we were in now if we had chosen a system that didnt work