The jab ..

[dans6490]

Yes there are people out there who are genuinely that naive, that they believe that when a government changes, the people in all of those jobs also change

I must be naive but is this not exactly what happens?
Whatever government is in charge chooses who they deal with and each will have their own "experts" who they will work with.

So if Labour got in power, the people who cut the grass, empty the bins, oversee local planning, visit restaurants to check if they are hygienic, deal with fly tipping, work in the office that deal with council tax etc, all lose their jobs and are replaced by thousands of people who the new government then employ.........err no

 

[Nictrix]

So if Labour got in power, the people who cut the grass, empty the bins, oversee local planning, visit restaurants to check if they are hygienic, deal with fly tipping, work in the office that deal with council tax etc, all lose their jobs and are replaced by thousands of people who the new government then employ.........err no


Yes there are people out there who are genuinely that naive, that they believe that when a government changes, the people in all of those jobs also change

I must be naive but is this not exactly what happens?
Whatever government is in charge chooses who they deal with and each will have their own "experts" who they will work with.

No, not all of those types of people, but you could probably bet that if any of the other parties were in power it wouldnt be people like Chris Whitty that would be paraded in front of the cameras.
For instance Chris Whitty was given the role of chief medical officer by the current government.
Im sure every other party would choose their own person to fill the same role.

 

[dans6490]

I must be naive but is this not exactly what happens?
Whatever government is in charge chooses who they deal with and each will have their own "experts" who they will work with.

No, not all of those types of people, but you could probably bet that if any of the other parties were in power it wouldnt be people like Chris Whitty that would be paraded in front of the cameras.
For instance Chris Whitty was given the role of chief medical officer by the current government.
Im sure every other party would choose their own person to fill the same role.

Sorry, agreed, in that instance. This chap was referring to our local council and how they weren’t answering phones quickly, delayed bin collections etc. He was under the impression that if Labour got in, they would all be out of a job, to be replaced by Labours employees

 

[Nictrix]

No, not all of those types of people, but you could probably bet that if any of the other parties were in power it wouldnt be people like Chris Whitty that would be paraded in front of the cameras.
For instance Chris Whitty was given the role of chief medical officer by the current government.
Im sure every other party would choose their own person to fill the same role.

Sorry, agreed, in that instance. This chap was referring to our local council and how they weren’t answering phones quickly, delayed bin collections etc. He was under the impression that if Labour got in, they would all be out of a job, to be replaced by Labours employees

:lol:
And with that being agreed it makes you think that the chief medical officer would possibly be shooting himself in the foot by not towing the line with anything the government says.
Makes you wonder.......

 

[dans6490]

No, not all of those types of people, but you could probably bet that if any of the other parties were in power it wouldnt be people like Chris Whitty that would be paraded in front of the cameras.
For instance Chris Whitty was given the role of chief medical officer by the current government.
Im sure every other party would choose their own person to fill the same role.

Sorry, agreed, in that instance. This chap was referring to our local council and how they weren’t answering phones quickly, delayed bin collections etc. He was under the impression that if Labour got in, they would all be out of a job, to be replaced by Labours employees

:lol:
And with that being agreed it makes you think that the chief medical officer would possibly be shooting himself in the foot by not towing the line with anything the government says.
Makes you wonder.......

Again agreed

 

[john-e89]

I don’t think Chris Whitty needs to worry about getting or keeping a job.... :roll:

This is getting silly beyond silly...

 

[Nanu]

Patients were sent back to care homes yes. They were sent to those which had the facility to quarantine them from the rest of the care home community and these were given additional funding. The issue was as you say was with staff, in particular nurses, who bounced from one car home to another. It is a legal duty for these places to have a qualified nurse on duty at all times. This was often fulfilled by NHS nurses working additional shifts or agency staff covering more than one home. I suspect that when we have the inevitable enquiry into Covid, the one main outcome will be that our wonderful NHS staff were all not quite as wonderful as we are led to believe.

 

[Deleted member 32480]

Patients were sent back to care homes yes. They were sent to those which had the facility to quarantine them from the rest of the care home community and these were given additional funding. The issue was as you say was with staff, in particular nurses, who bounced from one car home to another. It is a legal duty for these places to have a qualified nurse on duty at all times. This was often fulfilled by NHS nurses working additional shifts or agency staff covering more than one home. I suspect that when we have the inevitable enquiry into Covid, the one main outcome will be that our wonderful NHS staff were all not quite as wonderful as we are led to believe.

In my opinion if they have the power to close all business then they have the power to close off care homes.

I can just about forgive them for sending old folk home at the peak of 1st lockdown. A big part of why we are locked up is to protect these people and it's smashing its way through the care homes.

Does not sit right to me. Pay people to live on site and test people before they visit.

Family member is going into a carehome this week. She will have to quarrenteen for a week but a care assistant can just walk on in and pass out death sentences. It is rather concerning.

 

[john-e89]

^^^^^^^^^^ Are you two serious.....?? WTF....????.

The most disrespectful and horrible post I’ve read on these pages. You have zero idea of what the job entails, what pressures they’re under, the shortages they face and the sacrifice needed to do what you two so flagrantly take for granted and think is the right for people.

Why don’t you two do the job, even for a day.....you wouldn't last a day. Shameful posts. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

 

[Deleted member 32480]

I don't think anything I have said is disrespectful Ronk?

I just want us to work out a better way of protecting old people than what we are doing currently.

It's clear they are at risk and I was suggesting ways to better shield them.

Sorry it that has offended you. I am not saying anything on the quality of their work or their attitudes. They are all good people. But it's clear that covid has been smashing its way through car homes.

 

[ronk]

I don't think anything I have said is disrespectful Ronk?

I just want us to work out a better way of protecting old people than what we are doing currently.

It's clear they are at risk and I was suggesting ways to better shield them.

Sorry it that has offended you. I am not saying anything on the quality of their work or their attitudes. They are all good people. But it's clear that covid has been smashing its way through car homes.

Have you addressed your comments here to the wrong bod?
I think you may have intended it for the post from john-e89?
I don’t think I’ve ever discussed care homes .

 

[Deleted member 32480]

I don't think anything I have said is disrespectful Ronk?

I just want us to work out a better way of protecting old people than what we are doing currently.

It's clear they are at risk and I was suggesting ways to better shield them.

Sorry it that has offended you. I am not saying anything on the quality of their work or their attitudes. They are all good people. But it's clear that covid has been smashing its way through car homes.

Have you addressed this to the wrong bod?
I don’t think I’ve ever discussed care homes .

Sorry it was John.

I have read what I wrote back and "handing out death sentences" could be seen a bit disrespectful. But if a care worker (through no fault of their own) gets the virus and goes to 5/6 homes then effectively they could transmit the virus to a great number of high risk people and as a consequence of this some of them may pass.

I have a family member that is going in and this is of great concern to me. It's not a dig at health care workers just a fact of the world we are working in.

I worked with the elderly when I was younger John albeit in a contact center for their pendants. I lasted about 2 years (so a bit longer than a day) until I got a job in sales so I didn't have to work nights and weekends.

I spoke to many a warden and guest in that time and I have a great respect for both parties.

My mother is a support worker also- she works in mental health and my sister has worked in a carehome- she doesn't now. So I do understand some of the highs, lows and struggles the industry has.

 

[Flyingfifer]

I dont think anything that has been said is disrespectful in any way, what is happening is an honest discussion around the stark reality that is being faced and unfortunately, as is so often the case these days it seems, it has touched a nerve and triggered an outburst.

As someone who has family that work in care homes I listen quite intently to the stories of life on the "front line" and the facts are simple, these people work incredibly hard under crippling pressure for very little money BUT there are plenty of them that give absolutely zero fucks at all about the people they are there to look after, furthermore the management of the care homes are frequently disinterested in the moral right or safe course and are more interested in staying open and not letting people die for not much more than public relations reasons. The evidence for this is ample and well known, people often agonise for weeks over where to house their elderly relatives fearing that they will not be cared for adequately.

We live in a time where the elderly and infirm are passed off by the NHS to private sector money focused care homes who pay minimum wage to people who too frequently have no desire to actually provide care and as such have neither the personal or financial inclination to really care, that is what you should be upset and offended by and I know for a fact that if you speak to ANYONE who works in care homes if they were being honest they would 100% agree.

 

[john-e89]

^^^^^^^^^^

Yeah I guess that’s more accurate than my thinking. Fair shout.

 

[john-e89]

Patients were sent back to care homes yes. They were sent to those which had the facility to quarantine them from the rest of the care home community and these were given additional funding. The issue was as you say was with staff, in particular nurses, who bounced from one car home to another. It is a legal duty for these places to have a qualified nurse on duty at all times. This was often fulfilled by NHS nurses working additional shifts or agency staff covering more than one home. I suspect that when we have the inevitable enquiry into Covid, the one main outcome will be that our wonderful NHS staff were all not quite as wonderful as we are led to believe.

In my opinion if they have the power to close all business then they have the power to close off care homes.

I can just about forgive them for sending old folk home at the peak of 1st lockdown. A big part of why we are locked up is to protect these people and it's smashing its way through the care homes.

Does not sit right to me. Pay people to live on site and test people before they visit.

Family member is going into a carehome this week. She will have to quarrenteen for a week but a care assistant can just walk on in and pass out death sentences. It is rather concerning.

Apologies you two, bit knee jerk, non intended. Sorry.

 

[ronk]

It’s not that long ago when the NHS had dedicated Geriatric Hospitals - they were quietly phased out and morphed into privately owned care homes.

 

[Flyingfifer]

Apologies you two, bit knee jerk, non intended. Sorry.

Respect

To be fair these are very emotive subjects and as has always been the case, text based communication is clumsy in terms of tone so it is very easy to misconstrue what has been said

It’s not that long ago when the NHS had dedicated Geriatric Hospitals - they were quietly phased out and morphed into privately owned care homes.

Its unfortunate that things have gone that way, the same with hospital cleaning, when privatised and sold off standards slipped and then we get things like MRSA, NDM-1, C difficile etc. :thumbsdown:

 

[ronk]

Some clinical activities are privatised although they don’t shout about it. I regularly attend a clinic at my GP practice which is a bought in service.

 

[Flyingfifer]

Some clinical activities are privatised although they don’t shout about it. I regularly attend a clinic at my GP practice which is a bought in service.

My understanding is that all GPs are technically private surgeries

 

[ronk]

Some clinical activities are privatised although they don’t shout about it. I regularly attend a clinic at my GP practice which is a bought in service.

My understanding is that all GPs are technically private surgeries

They all seem to have NHS id and IT kit at my GP surgery?