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Every time I go to a BBC page, a little bit of sick comes up. Why do I do it? I sadly stumbled across this page https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55017002 and felt compelled to create this little graphic. As far as I'm concerned, the BBC does nothing to allay the concerns of people considering alternative theories. Quite the opposite in fact:
Fear mixed with propaganda is an excellent tool for controlling the masses. History is replete with examples, we just happen to be living in the most recent example. Since it has been so wonderfully successful, expect more of the same.mgrlane said:
Wow, if you can’t see the induced fear that has been spread over the world at large then there is absolutely nothing I can say or show you that would convince you that it is and is being used for nefarious purposes.john-e89 said:
With all due respect your question “Would you prefer they lied...?” literally had me laughing out loud. If by “they” you were referring to the media and or benevolent governments...Good Lord, that’s all they have been doing since this began.
Z4C_er said:
Why is that fear...? :?
I don’t get it, you don’t take notice of the vaccine in that you won’t have it despite what you’re told about it from people that know a hell of a lot more about it than you do, fair enough, your choice, yet you’re quoting and take as gospel MSM that you’re against...? I’m lost... :?
Glad to see you're still with us. How are you feeling?ronk said:
It's the news sources I most have issue with.
But those two have had too much pull and the Government have cocked up the response.
They'll be well dead and my children and grandchildren will be paying for their f-ups.
Watch the video I posted about Vit D etc. In Vietnam they have had 35 deaths out of a population of 97.8 million. Not 35 thousand, but 35. Again, when has Chris Whitty come out and said Vitamin D is crucial in keeping you healthy? Please keep up your levels of Vitamin C, D or Zinc? Fresh air and sunlight is key. When we don't have sunlight, like now, we'll be making available free dosage packs to take home. No, we'd rather push the vaccine barrow.
He has tens of thousands of deaths on his hands. Keeping old people together in care homes and letting Covid run riot. Keeping the airports and ferries running and allowing all and sundry to come in. For a year! Then putting the vaccine up their as the only saviour, whilst people die by his choice.
Z4C_er said:
The BBC are ridiculous for sure.
I’m afraid you can’t put pink balloons on all this with a happy marching band strutting down the street, it is what it is. You can take the news from all different areas, piece it together and make your own mind up how you want to deal with this pandemic. Tbh I take and throw away 80% odd of what I read, listen too, what I base the vaccine and virus on is reading and listening to people that actually know what they’re talking about, no one else, they’re out there if you look, that’s why I’m not in fear, the only fear I have is getting the damn thing. You can get far too bogged down with it all from here there and everywhere and end up not knowing where your arse is. I don’t mean you personally, in general. I’m not saying I’m right, just how I see it.
You know the old saying, everyone’s job is easy until you do it yourself.
Flyingfifer said:Argyll Andy said:1. They can’t tell me and have had no official guidance (I’ve already asked) I did this on the back of information floating around of as little as 90 days protection
2. 2nd jab 12 weeks, appointment already made at the same time as this one. Only proviso is might be slightly earlier if surplus doses at the end of a day/week. 2nd jab gives another 20ish% protection
3. Haven’t asked any of this but told I’ll get any relevant information at my appointment. If they don’t cover this, which I’d think they should, I’ll ask but IMO I’d think if I was showing symptoms I’d be following the same rules as everyone else so not to spread it.
This is also about me protecting those around me as it is me
ronk said:
Legends cheers
I suspect the questions cant be answered but you never know
Well had mine yesterday, even as someone who has periods of illness last night, and today to a degree, was not a pleasant experience. Absolutely burning up, felt freezing, was rolled up like a sausage roll with the covers over my head. Woke up this morning with a banging sore head but that’s largely eased but still feeling yucky, sore and achy.
I’ve never had a reaction to the flu jag which I’ve had got the last 12 yrs.
Would I do it again, absolutely
These are all the personal information I was given
1. How long do they anticipate it will last/have they had any guidance to that effect? - ATM THEY’RE DEFINITELY NOT IN POSSESSION OF ANY INFORMATION TO SUGGEST ITS SHORT LIVED PROTECTION. ALL THINGS ARE POINTING TOWARDS YEARLY BOOSTERS ALONG WITH THE FLU JAB IF THINGS CARRY ON AS IS
2. When will you get your second jab and what are they telling people in terms of the effectiveness without the 2nd jab? 2ND JAB 11 WEEKS, WILL NOT BE ANY QUICKER UNLESS THE GOVT CHANGE THEIR GUIDELINES. WITHOUT COMING RIGHT OUT AND SAYING IT THE INFERENCE WAS THAT THE FIRST ONE WILL OFFER SOME PROTECTION, BUT DO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IM DOING PRECAUTIONS WISE UNTIL I HAVE THE 2ND DOSE. THEY SAID THAT THEY’LL FEEL A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE AS TO MY PROTECTION LEVEL WHEN I HAVE THAT. THEY HAVR NO IDEA HOW THE CURRENT VACCINE WORKS WOTH THE KENT STRAIN BUT I FEEL THATS WORRYING THEM AS I WAS TOLD ID GET S PHONE CALL IF THAT CAME INTO THE AREA AND WOULD POSSIBLY HAVE TO CHANGE WHAT I WAS DOING SLIGHTLY BUT WE NEVER GOT INTO THIS.
3. What are they telling you about being a virus carrier after the vaccine in terms of might you get symptoms if so should you isolate and if so for how long? THEY’RE SEEMS TO BE A VERY STRONG FEELING WITHIN THE MEDICAL PROFESSION THAT THE ASTRA ZENICA ONE HAS A BIG IMPACT ON TRANSMISSION RATES AND MY REDUCED LEVEL OF SPREADING IT IF I CAUGHT IT. OUTWITH THE NEXT 5 DAYS IF I GET ANY SYMPTOMS I’VE TO FOLLOW THE EXACT SAME GUIDELINES AS ANYONE ELSE, TEST, ISOLATE ETC, ETC. ONLY DIFFERENCE WAS I SHOULD MONITOR BLOOD PRESSURE AND OXYGEN IF I’M NOT FEELING WELL. I ALREADY HAVE THE KIT AT HOME FOR DOING THAT.
Might not be much new information but came from a source I personally trust as that person had been involved in my ongoing care for 12 yrs now
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Z4C_er said:
To add to this.
Hospital Covid Deaths today total. 537
Age Zero to 39 = 5
Age 40 to 59 = 44
Age 60+ = 488
The reason why that want to jab all the young people is that there is over 50 million of them compared to the 12 million that are over 65.
If I am a boss in big pharma I am 100% certain that as soon as a kid is born they need the needle in their arms.
As for yearly top ups. Hell Yea!!
If people don't see this yet, then they never will. Big Pharma needs sick people to prosper. More sick people = more profits. It's simple business!mgrlane said:
It's a company just like any other company. Their shareholders expect a year-on-year increase in profits. If everyone is getting better, then there's no growth.
Z4C_er said:
Well I haven’t grown an extra head and feel fine - unlike poor old Argyll Andy who seems to be feeling “peelly wally”
As for the vitamin D thing, my wife is taking part in proper study by the London School of Medicine to identify its benefits if any. I suspect it only helps the immune system help deal with the virus rather than prevent infection - but no doubt the participants will be advised of the studies findings eventually. I’m sure it’s not a simple vitamin D and a Zn tablet.
Fresh air is a fundamental in diluting the concentrations of the virus The Govt advisors have said keep a room well ventilated.
Care home residents are stuck in their environment and don’t really have much choice for freedom to exercise or diet.
Wether you like the vaccine option or not, I cannot see how life can return to normal without it and the WHO and other professional bodies agree.
Z4C_er said:
Your options :-
1,Pharmaceutical Companies making profit
2. Measles Polio Tuberculosis etc etc
I know what I will choose - without medicines we would be back in the dark ages.
I suspect you fellas are of an age where you had jabs as children - can you say you would rather not have had them?
I’m old enough to remember the bad childhood diseases in the early 50’s which have been all but eradicated that’s why I think your attitude towards modern pharmaceuticals is flawed.
They have to make a profit on their balance sheet just as much as you do.
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Z4C_er said:
If you take the view that these billion dollar Pharma organisations are so intertwined with and a big influencer of governments you can't help look at it all very cynically. I mean Christ, our own chief scientific adviser has £600,000 worth of shares in GlaxoSmithKline. I am sure it's more than that now. But we as a nation are alright with that? No conflict of interest at all?
If you start digging into all the back handers that this government have given out (and yes I voted for the buggers) to their pals though various advisory roles, PPE, track and trace apps... The list is endless.
But if you mention these facts and your fears you will probably be thought of as a crack pot from the people who believe that "they are the experts, I only listen to the experts- they have our best interests at heart" brigade.